Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Repeating something doesn't make it more true.

I quoted the legislation which you admitted you misread 5 minutes ago. 🤷‍♀️

Your opinion is his presence is not likely to cause fear, which is your opinion.

The law states that is up to a member of Gardaí to access if his trespass is likely to cause fear.

Remember he doesn't have to cause fear.

He is under constant security so he can't enter other parts of the school.

Is that because they are afraid he will bring joy or fear?

It's bonkers!

Burke is? Why do you think so?

I'm not championing Burke here, I think he's a woeful gobshyte, but technically Burke is turning up to school in order to teach. That's his claim anyway. My view is that he's turning up for attention, to provoke a reaction and to try become a martyr but I can't prove that. So essentially his claim that he is there to teach probably can't really be disproven.

Yes, yes, yes, I know he's suspended but he's ignoring the suspension (and court order) and turning up to do his job. In those circumstances it would be very hard to prove that his actions are likely to cause fear in another person as he's just turning up to teach, just like every other teacher in the school...........except he is suspended.

Fear is a broad brush, distress, agitation, even annoyance, etc.

But again not one single person who is lawfully allowed in that building has to admit feeling any of those.

If his presence is likely to cause any of that and Guard makes that judgement, than that is crime under our laws.

Again he is under constant security so he doesn't get to other workers and kids in the school.

There is something up here, either the school have been abandoned or it is orchestrated to let him have more rope.

But by any reasonable measurement, this has gone on far too long, the children's welfare should be paramount, time for the upper powers now to step in and arrest the díckhead.

distress, agitation and annoyance are not fear in any reasonable world.

you need a new dictionary.

Why delay this until the summer? The school certainly doesn't seem to want to, given that they want to hold a disciplinary hearing on the 19th of this month. Everyone is in limbo for now and sending him back to jail is simply kicking the can down the road. It's a costly rerun of what happened last year and nothing will change. A decision on his employment status is key.

None of those examples match anything that Burke has done.

Here are your examples again:

Conviction for having child porn images - Burke isn't accused of this and hasn't even been arrested on any charge.

Conviction for threatening and intimidating staff - Burke isn't accused of this and hasn't even been arrested on any charge.

Conviction for commiting fraud - Burke isn't accused of this and hasn't even been arrested on any charge.

Conviction for theft - Burke isn't accused of this and hasn't even been arrested on any charge.

Fake qualifictions - this is a basic issue of qualified or not.

Conviction for child abuse - Burke isn't accused of this and hasn't even been arrested on any charge.

Putting sellotape on five pupil's mouths - OK, this one doesn't have a conviction with it, but serious assault on five pupils certainly deserves being fired, note also that this was a new teacher without a long-standing professional reputation to rely on.

There is nothing in anything you have said that gives any confidence that the Teaching Council will act. In the vast majority of cases, the Teaching Council, despite their 54 staff, have to rely on the Gardai and the Courts to fire someone. Under the vast majority of the clauses quoted by you, the Teaching Council either fails to take action, or punishes with something less than removal from register.

Given the poor record of the Teaching Council in dealing with complaints - even the Sellotape case took six years - I remain confident that Burke will not be struck off the Register this decade and will continue to be paid.

Now, nowhere am I saying that Burke shouldn't be fired, all I am saying is that the Teaching Council is incapable of dealing with cases like his.

'Political Protest' mehole... he's hardly in the Bobby Sands/Rosa Parks constituency, not even remotely and the occasional cry of martyrdom and 'sticking to his principles' borders on the disingenuous.

Any person going to jail over pronouns, on foot of disrespecting and causing distress to a vulnerable child/children, never mind abusing his boss, is essentially overdosing on hubris and is pretty much not fit to be working in a school. The 'religious freedom' angle doesn't cut it for me either because there are millions of good religious folk with deeply held beliefs who don't behave like a d1ckhead at the same time, shouting and raving, abusing the courts and judiciary either.

Just give it time-- he will be sacked, barred from teaching, and vanish back to the amurica-sponsored hole he crawled out from. Fairly certain. Then we will move on. To the next mini-outrage. Pronouns and trans people will still exist. The world won't collapse into hell or armaggeddon either.

Blanch is right, Teaching Council will do nothing.

His protest or his religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

He was suspended on full pay for aggressively chasing his boss around to the point people had to step in and protect her, and in line with WRC guidelines and the rules of school which he signed up to, a disciplinary process was started. The school has not missed a beat in that process.

It is him and him alone through his actions that has prevented that process from evolving, something which continues to do.

He will be fired for his actions after the suspension and he will most certainly take a case to the WRC.

Like I posted earlier, he will probably be arrested at the WRC. 😂

I have no idea who you work for, but if you pulled all those stunts with your current employer, you'd be fired, please don't insult anyones intelligence by claiming you wouldn't. Everyone would.

Just one short comment on your post above.

Your first sentence clearly relates to Burke. Where has he shown a history of violent behaviour?

You are getting carried away. You need to leave your emotion aside and look at this objectively.

You're now throwning in the actions of his mammy and sister into the mix. They have nothing to do with Enoch Burke's suspension etc.

It's called indoctrination. Faith based anything is based as it goes directly against evidence. That is what faith it, it is against, in spite of or without evidence. How that is seen as good is beyond me, just live in a made up fairytale that there is some wizard in the sky who works in mysterious ways, all the good things are on his terms and the bad stuff...ah that is just how it goes.

In Ireland, we have centuries of evidence of the damage religion, and in particular the Roman Catholic Church has done to society. Most of it done to those who put their own faith into that church.

Faith only deserves to be treat with utter ridicule. It goes directly against what is observable in the world.

You call it useful, I call it stupid.

He was suspended for his behaviour, nothing else. He was locked up for contempt for his behaviour, nothing else.

His mammy reared him and instilled beliefs and opinions in him and her other children.

And when he is removed from his position, will he be peacefully awaiting reemployment if he enters the school?

Not really relevant to his suspension from school though. The previous poster's jist was that Burke was from a family of 'freaks' and that the WRC wouldn't entertain one of them because of his sister and mother's behaviour at previous hearings. Which is nonsense as every case has to be judged on its own merits.

But yep, his mammy did rear him and gave him a, lets call it a strong set of beliefs and opinions.