Inter Club 2023

paulos53 · 06-01-2023 5:06pm #1

A few changes for the coming year. The details are here: https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/championships/inter-club%20summary%20of%20key%20changes%20(national)%20-%20final.pdf

The ones that stood out for me:

The minimum handicap for Bruen is still 3.5 but the combined handicap of each pairing rises from 14.0 to 16.0. This effectively increases the upper handicaps from 10.5 to 12.5
The minimum handicap Purcell increases from 10.5 to 12.5. The format changes from a gross foursomes to a nett foursomes competition.
The combined handicaps for a Purcell pairing is a minimum of 25.0 with a maximum of 34.0. Effectively this changes the upper handicap limit to 21.5
The All-Ireland fourball competition has been discontinued

Rikand · 06-01-2023 5:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058278487/inter-club-2023

All Ireland Fourball competition being discontinued puts me out of a job. I was set to manage it this year for a second time

gypsy79 · 06-01-2023 6:03pm

Keeping Barton and Bruen and mashing together PP and 4ball makes no sense to me

Rikand · 06-01-2023 6:12pm

We blooded a lot of new players to interclub with the fourball last year. it was a great starter event. 9 of my panel of 15 would never have played interclub at all before. Lads like that won't get a look in for Fred Perry and Pierce Purcell. I think its a step backwards from golf ireland personally. If clubs are choosing to play the same 15 lads for all 3 teams, that says more about the clubs than it does the competitions

opinionated3 · 06-01-2023 11:04pm

Am I wrong in thinking the new bruen and pp setups will be absolute heaven for clubs who have previously abused these competitions through use of players who are experts in handicap manipulation??

slingerz · 06-01-2023 11:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076565#Comment_120076565

There isn’t a format that can’t be abused.

I think the changes to Bruen will put a lot of the lower players 4-6 in limbo. Not low enough for junior cup and partner too high to be worthwhile in Bruen. Maybe another singles matchplay akin to junior cup need for this band

Walter Alright · 06-01-2023 11:41pm

What is the difference between gross foursomes v nett foursomes competition?

gypsy79 · 06-01-2023 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076565#Comment_120076565

Not anymore than previously

The famous club from Clare didnt play any rounds

Rikand · 07-01-2023 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076737#Comment_120076737

Gross foursomes doesnt take ones handicap into consideration for the match itself.

With Nett foursomes there will be shots given in the matches

Poker Face · 07-01-2023 3:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076722#Comment_120076722

Totally agree think they have made complete b**ls of it. If u are a 3.5 HI then the only way u getting on a team is if your 12.5 partner should be off a few shots less!!

slingerz · 07-01-2023 8:50am

As a small club those players from 4-6 will play plenty. But in a big club the junior cup are all going to be at the limit or below by the time it starts

the increase in band for Bruen has now pushed it out so selecting 7&9 or 8&8 would be optimum imo

Rikand · 07-01-2023 3:08pm

At 5.8, I have the most in form player in the club playing off 10.2 as my choice for the Bruen. Hopefully team management see it the same way I do :D

Bloc · 07-01-2023 4:42pm

This looks a right mess, having started my inter club days in the 4ball I always thought it was one of the best inter club competitions. The change to pierce Purcell also looks ridiculous, literally the only team that a 10/11 handicap can get on its to be the high man on a Jimmy bruen match, good job Golf Ireland!!

callaway92 · 08-01-2023 2:40pm

Golf Ireland increased their Annual Fee but have removed a full competition 😉

threeputtpaul · 08-01-2023 3:40pm

regarding the handicaps.. if my lowest index last year was the handicap i carried over from 2021, does that mean i have to use that this year as my interclub handicap?

Poker Face · 08-01-2023 9:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081932#Comment_120081932

yeah if that is what your lowest HI was in 2022 then that is what will be used

BraveDonut · 16-01-2023 5:35pm

Anyone know where I can find details of formats for the various competitions, handicaps etc?

And the details of the draws that have been made to date?

golfguy1 · 16-01-2023 9:11pm

you can find it all on golfireland.ie

draws won't be available till mid Feb as closing date for entries in Jan 31st

fearruanua · 18-01-2023 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058279924/interclub-2023

https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/championships/inter-club%20summary%20of%20key%20changes%20%28national%29%20-%20final.pdf

Draws will be a while yet. It was mid March when we got them last year.

Ronney · 20-01-2023 12:57pm

Changes to PP will be interesting

Changes to handicap range: • The lowest individual handicap index will increase from 10.5 to 12.5. • The lowest combined handicap index for a pair will remain 25.0. • A new highest combined handicap index for a pair will be set at 34.0. Shots will be given/received based on playing handicaps calculated from combined course handicaps. If a pair exceeds 34.0, they will still be able to play but their combined handicap index will drop down to 34.0.

I dont think id fancy being 2 12.5/13 H/C's and giving 9 shots to 2 x 17 H/C's

golfguy1 · 20-01-2023 3:48pm

would the higher pairing get full shots or like the mixed where it is 1/2 the combined difference????

willabur · 20-01-2023 5:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120117309#Comment_120117309

GOLF IRELAND website, much like the GUI website is a mess. Very difficult to find simple information on it

willabur · 20-01-2023 5:04pm

already posted

Ollieboy · 20-01-2023 6:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120133635#Comment_120133635

But maybe this is a good idea, change it by a decent margin every year and keep the bandits guessing.

im guessing they feel this will sort out or cause issues for certain clubs building teams or hcaps for a number of years.

billy3sheets · 20-01-2023 7:56pm

It's a completely different, higher handicap competition now. Previously it was 11 to 14 handicaps. Now it's likely 14 to 20 handicaps. A golfer with a HI of 12.5 will likely have around 14 playing handicap, 17 HI likely to have a PH of 20. Will depend on the course being played.

IHateNewShoes · 21-01-2023 9:06am

Sorry, a bit confused by this. My lowest index last year was 11.1, does this put me out of Purcell?

bakerbhoy · 21-01-2023 10:36am

Yes

IHateNewShoes · 21-01-2023 1:07pm

That's a shame, i enjoyed playing it but I'd be a mile off the Bruen standard!

Rikand · 21-01-2023 2:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120138056#Comment_120138056

Not necessarily. The handicap range for Bruen has changed too, so you'd be paired with a 4.9. It's a different standard now as well.

bakerbhoy · 26-01-2023 2:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120138289#Comment_120138289

The new Golf Ireland. We are seeing the influence of the ladies and the WHS here in the overall scheme. Shots will be given in the Bruen in the near future ???

New comps needed with tighter bands of maybe 3 to 5 index ranges. ie 3 to 6 or 6 to 9 etc.

slingerz · 31-01-2023 10:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120160539#Comment_120160539

I think more competitions would be a good thing. With the changes to Bruen/Purcell I think a comp for around 5-8 handicaps would be welcomed.

I’d also have a rule that if you’re playing in a comp you wouldn’t be eligible to play in a lower ranked one i.e. if your playing junior cup you can’t play Bruen etc

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