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The Virgin Media Television thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Who is signing off the cheques paying for adverts on VM4... are they also autobots!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,937 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    I can’t believe the number of people who watch these channels (outside of the soaps). Pure tripe in poor quality and endless repeats. They must literally watch anything!

    Not to mention people who still call it TV3. Arrgh!

    VM know their market at least and people quite happy to lap it up.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Again we’re back to this daft in this age two regulator system we have. The BAI licenses content, but has no jurisdiction over content. Comreg controls broadcasting standards, but is effectively obliged to grant a license to the BAI for every contracted service. This point unfortunately falls between two stools; the BAi have no jurisdiction over picture quality and Comreg basically can’t refuse the BAI a license for the VM channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭deezell


    Their legitimate argument against HD terrestrial streams always was and will remain cost. Before digital TV, TV3 and 3e occupied two entire analogue channels, 8Mhz bandwidth, on the UHF spectrum. With digital technology, it was possible to fit multiple SD standard definition, HD definition and sub SD definition channels onto a single analogue channel bandwidth or Multiplex (Mux) as its now known. TV3 weren't at all pleased with the massive increase in transmission cost for even the SD steam for their two channels, let alone the HD, given that they had occupied two entire mux for less cost with Analogue. They even had the HD studios and kit lined up, but instead subscribed to the lowest data rate they could get away with, a sub SD offering, and the rest is history. RTE networks were left with their unwanted HD channels, TV3 put out sub SD onto the terrestrial Saorview network, and hid their actual HD content behind the Sky Astra paywall, and with VM, behind their cable and broadband delivered service. RTENL greed done them a favour.

    Terrestrial HD 1440x1080. Rte1, 2, TG4

    Terrestrial SD 704 × 576 (nominally Analogue res) Rte News Now

    Terrestrial Sub SD 544 x 576. All VM, +1 channels, RTEJunior.

    The combined pixel count from all 4 VM channels, 1.25 Mp, is less than a single HD channel, 1.55 Mp, though this is an oversimplification of quality seen, as bitrate has a defining effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    We have this conversation on here yearly if not even monthly. Nothing will change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭deezell


    Except that the contributors get aged, haggard and irrelevant eventually. I've let go of the TV3 res thing for a good while now. If you find yourself watching the 6 nations on a phone stream, you realise that its a different media world to the analogue days, which was only 2012. I still remember the excitement as a kid when I retuned the old black and white TV from 405 line RTE to 625 line transmission, razor sharp images it seemed. No-one in the house even knew the choice existed. So it is with VM. Phone quality images with YouTube quality programs. Its not going to change, you have to.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Absolutely. I have come close to considering banning discussion on it from time to time because it just goes around in circles.

    And look the poster above also has a point, and maybe the point is not having one as regards two regulators at this stage; maybe it’s whether there should be any regulator, at all, of tv content. The idea that in order to gain access to the airwaves you need to approach a state body with a couple of hundred page business plan setting out your programming proposals, costs, advertising revenue, key people etc in an age where anyone with a webcam can set themselves up on YouTube is itself a relic of another era, another time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    The only thing I try to watch on Virgin Media channels is sport. I am not a subscriber, never will be, so no HD. I try to endure the awful picture, but no way would I ever subscibe to such a crap network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What ever happened to the 'VM More' on channel 100 launched with much fanfare earlier this year. Has this just slipped away into the darkness now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    It seems to be still there. I don’t have it but listings online



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭mackersdublin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭AJB39


    It’s still showing ITV dramas before they reach the other Virgin Media channels. It’s also showing new dramas from ITVX.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What dramas have they been first to show in recent months?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I will always go back to the complaint made by TV3 when UTV Ireland were due to be added to Saorview, this complaint mainly because UTV Ireland had bought up the rights to ITV programming. The minister signed off on the addition giving it "Public Service" status of some kind, as per the broadcasting act 2009. However the complaint pretended that it was just about the sucking up of ad revenue from local broadcasters.

    It is strange that VMTV THREE (which is effectively the new name for UTV Ireland) has no real public service requirement even though its addition to saorview is based on that required, while I don't think the current minister signed off on either VMTV FOUR or SKY NEWS airing on Soarview.

    The Dept seem to think that because Sky News isn't a new channel the minister would have no role and it would come under the acts idea that RTÉ should exploit some commercial grounds... but then how does that work for VMTV FOUR?

    I see no value to the audience for VMTV channels, they don't compete with RTÉ and because of this we are a stuck with RTÉ2 as it currently stands.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The only services ever designated were UTV Ireland and the late lamented Irish TV, if I am naming it correctly (Mayo Television). By my reading of the legislation not even VMTV One can be carried on an RTE multiplex without being designated (“the television programme service contractor” doesn’t appear where you’d usually expect it). The intention may have been that it should have been carried on the BAI muxes but of course they were never awarded. Where that leaves Sky News, I don’t know.

    edit: s130(10) provides for VMTV One carriage under certain circumstances which I assume have been invoked.

    still doesn’t explain Sky News.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭AJB39


    I can’t go back months but this week Virgin Media More is airing ITV 1 and ITV X dramas “The Walk In”, “Litvinenko”, “The Suspect” and “Tell me Everything” before they have aired on any other Virgin Media channel. “The Walk In” and “The Suspect” did air on ITV 1 some time ago but Virgin Media cable viewers don’t have access to ITV 1.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭AJB39


    I mostly watch ITV dramas, quizzes and entertainment programmes on Virgin Media. The only VM produced programme I watch is the news. I used to watch “The Tonight Show” but I’ve grown to dislike the format since Ivan Yates and Matt Cooper left. The also have the same repetitive guests on time and time again including one journalist on Climate who must be on about 25 times a year when there are many other voices on that topic who could be on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Yeah, I think it was mainly launched to handle those ITV X programming. There was probably an agreement set that they can't show those programmes on their FTA channels, but can put it behind their own platform VM More, until such a time that ITV1 and ITV2 show them.

    New shows this week include last series of Wentworth, A Year On Planet Earth, Litvinenko, Spectacular Spain with Alex Polizzi, Americas Got Talent Xtreme, the Voice USA, Seachange, Tell Me Everything, Bad Chefs, Impossible Engineering, Showtrial and The Girl Before.

    Note that there are no adverts on VM More either. Just mainly VM promos during tiny breaks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,797 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Documentary about TV3 coming up on VM4 in a few minutes. It's probably a repeat but I haven't seen it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    According to Medialive, 157,000 for Harry and Meghan on VM1 last night, which was behind Dancing With The Stars, Room To Improve, and Fair City - IIRC, didn't the Oprah interview get around four times that on RTE Two?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    It was Harry just in the interview, and was quite long - 95 minutes. Not sure there was much new details in the interview, as a lot has been leaked in the media the last few days too.

    ITV I'd say were disappointed by the rating too:

    • Prince Harry's interview with Tom Bradby on ITV1 last night was beaten in the TV ratings by BBC One's Happy Valley, according to BARB overnight figures
    • Prince Harry (2100 - 2235) was watched by 4.10m TV viewers. Happy Valley (21.00 - 22.00) by 5.25m

    I think the Oprah interview got around 11 million on ITV 2 years ago. Maybe interest is fading in all thing Royal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I will post up RTÉ press release on those viewing figures, I question medialive more and more.

    Very badly highlighted by VM for that interview IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    Good points. I have questioned medialive for a while but also strangely it was very badly highlighted by VM as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I'd assume that VMTV ONE/TV3 comes under the section that applies to the national commercial broadcaster (Section 70) AFAIR C6/3E/VMTV TWO was brought under this license.

    Is sky news even licensed here? I assume VMTV THREE remains a section 71 license, and that VMTV MORE and FOUR come under this, I suspect MORE and FOUR replaced VMTV's sports channels rather then having new licenses with the BAI.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Sky News is not licensed here; its U.K. licence was sufficient pre-Brexit, it has additionally had a Luxembourg license since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I would still think it would need a public service designation as per the act, as would VMTV FOUR. Though I don't think it means much considering what VMTV have done to UTV IRELAND/3BE


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    I remember a big deal been made at the time , that the communications minister of the day had to sign a declaration that utv Ireland and Irish TV were of public service importance, to enable them to have permission to broadcast on Saorview. With sky news and VM4 they basically just appeared on the platform one day without any built-up or fanfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Virgin Media TV back to the start of the Jeremy Clarksons era of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire from 2018 this weekend during prime time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I wonder if they will continue to get away with Clarkson repeats!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    I’m not surprised that Jeremy Clarkson will be removed from the who wants to be a millionaire show. He can be very cutting. Can’t find the masked singer new thread on here.

    I enjoy it when nothing much else on there is only so much other things to watch on a sat night! I think James authur is defo rhino in the current new series. It’s easier guess the singer but the dancer one is a lot harder to guess. The masks can be class but wacky too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I assumed that one of the reasons for statutory regulation of radio and TV services was the likelihood of an unlicenced station interfering with emergency services' two-way radio systems.

    Another reason is to deter the broadcasting of material unsuitable for children before 9 PM.

    In November 2002, the company formerly known as TV3 was left red-faced when it started showing the sexually-explicit film 'End of Summer' - starring Jacqueline Bisset, Peter Weller and Julian Sands, who has disappeared during a hiking trip in real life - at 10:50 AM and had to terminate the broadcast at midday after irate parents made phone calls and then fill-in the gap with an episode of Seinfeld.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I wonder if the regulator would have said anything TBH. In fairness to TV3/VMTV they changed the schedule quickly, I think they would have got those complaint in anycase, regulated or not, the BAI have largely said that broadcasting should be 50:50 Regulated and Self-regulated, the complaints process insures that it is even more likely to be self-regulated.

    The BAI as a regulator of content should look at finances and the power of the service do determine the amount of local content required on a TV service. I don't think you need red-tape stopping people setting up a TV service. Do we honestly think that VMTV TWO, THREE, FOUR and MORE are managed by more than 10 - 20 staff members. (I am being generous).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I'm sure the regulatory framework concentrated their minds. Hence the swift action they took to remedy the mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Only after people complained. I'd wonder if VMTV/TV3 knew what they were showing, or where even watching.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    TV3 showed Carry On Emmannuelle on a Saturday afternoon around Valentines in 1999. Not quite sure if it got the same amount of irate callers, or if anyone had TV3 tuned it in those days anyway.

    They also once showed an episode of South Park at 8.30pm, not sure if that got attention.

    Shows like Ren & Stimpy probably wouldn't be shown at 4pm as part of a kids animation block these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭deezell


    What would be in a Carry on film from '78, a flash of bottom/boobs maybe, usually idiotic rather then erotic. No one would have blinked an eye, even in Ireland of 1999. If it was run in '78 Ireland, it would have been eviscerated anyway, but would still have had the Bishops screaming. Actually a good table quiz question. When was the first 'curse' on Irish telly, in order of offence, i.e, Jesus, Jaysus, sh*t, sh*te, or f**k, either variant, and of course, the unspeakable c word. Follow that with the first nudey, in order of gravity.

    Question 1, I'm guessing... maybe the Dubliners, Brendan Behan, Lee Dunne, all the way to Fr. Ted, Gob Beldoff, and the Sopranos. Question 2? There must have been at least an Arse shown before 'The Spike' in '78 practically caused an emergency. And Gay, of course, the dirty scut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    pre-watershed?

    post-watershed bad language on an Irish TV (though produced by the BBC) was probably The Family.

    As for the Carry On films I think RTÉ aired them all with no cuts to them in the 90s and prob did so in the 80s.

    Die Hard at 7:30 on a Wednesday night caused a full show for Liveline.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,797 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    RTE2 used to show arthouse films in the late 70's/early 80's. I remember a young bollock naked Eastern European lad shagging a pillow one Friday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭deezell


    Of course, Rte2 TV wasn't a 'real' station like 1, only on after 8.00, so probably safe enough to sneak the odd bit of risky broadcast in, (i.e, filth). It only commenced in November '78, I was part of a tranche of new recruits in '78 to service it and the new 2FM radio station. Hard to believe, there was only one legal radio channel in Ireland in 78, with no daytime popular music broadcast at all except for Larry Gogan's 15 minute commercial insert, with only the first verse of any song played. Pretty much the entire campus was physically wired with multiple audio cable tie lines, two were plugged to a source, Radio one, and BBC Radio 2. The latter was the preferred background feed in any area I ever visited, (well, among young heathens anyway). When RTE 2 television was launched, BBC 2 audio went out live instead of the countdown for a while, until someone hastily removed the overplug. Sigh. Memories. '78 sounds about right for the first nudie. The first swear/profanity is still up for debate. Could it have been school around the corner? The horse that fell into a trench story?

    Paddy Crosbie; ".. the poor horse, they shot him in the head?"

    Gurrier; " No sir, they shot him in the hole"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    If that happened nowadays, the phone calls would go unanswered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Before RTE Two was launched, I believe the government briefly considered retransmitting BBC One nationwide, which would have given an entirely different meaning to the phrase "two-channel land"!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    technically it was Radio 3, RnaG was set up in 1972, while Radio 2 started in 1979. Wouldn't say much of the working practices have changed much since :)

    @An Ciarraioch one of 3 options, a new RTÉ Channel, a commercial service and/or BBC One NI.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yes, there were 3 options, Auntie Beeb, independent or 2nd RTE TV channel. RTE 1 was almost entirely on VHF at the time, and the 405 line versions on the same VHF bands were all discontinued bar a few relays in Donegal. The cost of UHF transmission was prohibitive back then, but they came up with a brilliant engineering solution to reuse VHF channels on transmitters well distant from each other. By changing polarity and offsetting the channel frequency by a precision amount, you could have two channels on channel H say, with a very high level of separation from interference, most of the time. E.g, RTE 2 went out on ch. H in Maghera Co. Clare, which was the same channel for RTE1 from Kippure for the greater Dublin and North Leinster area. As an historic footnote, also on the same band for years from 1959 was the 405 line UTV service which could be received clearly in the south until the RTE 625 line transmissions began, whence the vision frequency of RTE 1 from Kippure clashed with the sound carrier frequency of UTV, effectively censoring UTV all the way up to the border. Deliberate? Who knows.

    Again, it's hard to believe how few people listened to radio on VHF, more popularly known as FM back then, so TnaG was very much a local Medium Wave event when launched in '72 as households and car listeners mostly tuned into AM transmissions. (who even had a car radio in 72?). RTE Radio 2 went out on AM nationally from the old Athlone medium wave transmitter until 2004, so it had mostly nationwide cover on AM in '79 when Larry launched it that day with the Boomtown rats. I was in the actual studio beside him by chance, called over to fix one of the cartridge machines used for the ads and stings, which decided to go on the blink a few minutes before the launch. My only claim to fame, but wisely used to impress girls at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    Looks like Virgin won't show Coronation Street tomorrow at 9pm as ITV1 and keep it until usual Friday 8pm slot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    The channel “Challenge” is coming to Saorview on February 1st. We will have even more choice for watching The Chase. Sarcastic yay

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/challenge-to-launch-on-saorview/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    More rubbish



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Not sure what that has to do with VMTV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Maz2016


    I was referencing to the amount of times the Chase is on VM and maybe they might reduce the amount of episodes now



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I fear that is wishful thinking tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Virgin Media currently has rights to Series 13 & Series 14 of The Chase. S11 and S12 stopped on VM on the 30th Oct 2022.

    Looks like Challenge have Series 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11 this week, so probably all series' between 1-11/12?



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