America executes trans inmate

A barbaric, cruel, outdated and frankly pointless mode of punishment. But USA has always been the land of contradiction. Land of the free, home of the electric chair.

He was legally a man when he committed the crime and was sentenced.

Can't see the relevance of the individuals gender here.

Should the person be treated differently because they transitioned? No.

I think a worse punishment would be to spend the rest of your life in an American prison.

If you want to discuss the death penalty and specifically the humanity of using lethal injection, why not lead why not lead with the fact that the US have botched 35% of execution attempts this year. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/15/us-death-penalty-data-execution-attempts-botched.

if you want to discuss the plainly inadequate care given to inmates including transgender inmates leading to record levels of suicide then fair enough. https://www.aclu.org/news/prisoners-rights/federal-judge-finds-arizonas-prison-health-care-is-plainly-grossly-inadequate-and-unconstitutional

But the OP has two statements that are in no way connected.

Finally anyone who is in favour of the death penalty can never back their opinion up with facts or statistics other than a macabre want to kill another person.

Pretty much perfectly describes the life of a death row inmate. What do you think they endure?

Endure?

In most of the cases punishment fits the crime. (Botched executions included)

What I mean by stats is states in the US with the death penalty have higher numbers of heinous crimes than states without. That can’t be argued with.

Taking that as fact, are people promoting the death penalty as an eye for an eye or a means of torture. If that’s the case then Let’s discuss that need in the person.

there is no situation that the death penalty works. Especially with flawed legal systems that can convict innocent people.

Interesting, I don't agree with the death penalty myself but also wouldn't be overly critical of those that support it. In the context of America, its just such a violent place with so much racial and class division, so much drug addiction, so much dead end poverty and the violence is gratuitous and extreme. I don't think I could propose anything to really fix it. It's not like in Europe where we have a gripe about x and think y should be done. It's that the USA, like much of the developing world, is completely broken from top to bottom and there is no real answer. I've read about todlers being shot in their parent's cars by other car drivers because someone didn't like their driving. I've read about todlers shooting other todlers and they're completely desensitised to it as a country. They see this on the news and think it's all fine or make some crass comment about the area it happened in as if they're remote from the fact. It's a bonkers place.

The United States is the first world and to them the beacon of the best legal system in the world. It’s not Belize or war torn Africa. The examples you have given as reasons not to be overly critical of the death penalty are the epitome of examples where the death penalty is the worst solution possible. A bonkers place is not an appropriate reason for taking a life because of a crime.

But they did get the death penalty and the crime rates for the same offences are higher than the states with no death penalty. It’s that black and white. The simple fact is that when a person is about to commit a crime that is punishable by death they don’t stop and go ‘hold on a second, if I become a serial killer, is the death penalty on the table’. Equally they don’t stop and say ‘I better become a serial killer in California rather than Texas because I will evade the death sentence’.

criminals rarely think about the punishment before they commit the crime.

Are trans people exempt from sentencing?

I don't agree with the death sentence as such, but should a Trans person be more protected than a non trans, nope, or its another avenue to get out of **** that you did.

I agree with everything you said.

As a criminal barrister I never cease to be moved when every murder case I have been on the senior counsel in his/her closing argument always discusses the Birmingham 6/Guildford 4 and word for word quotes the judge when convicting them for a crime they didn’t commit using words along the lines of’if I could put you to death I would’.

As a civilised society we can never be happy with a situation where torture or inhumane conditions for convicted people can be tolerated. For one it ensures a huge demographic with disdain for authority and exacerbates crime.

as for one punch life ruining…seriously?

Yes of course, that’s exactly what I said and the obvious alternative.

There are humane methods of execution if they must. For some reason they seem intent on being just as barbaric as their prisoners.

The death penalty is a bit of a waste. Scum like those on death row could be made use of in medical tests/trials, make them be of some use.

We could learn a thing or two from them. The death penalty should be seen as a tool to remove a problem and nothing else.

Plenty of murderers walking our streets which is equally as deplorable as anything the American justice system offers.

I know of 2 cases where a single punch ruined lives.

A guy I worked with was standing outside a club when someone clocked him in the face. He hit the ground and while he survived, he suffered permanent brain damage. He went from being a sharp guy to someone with slurred speeche and who repeats the same sentences several times during a chat.

My Brother was sucker punched when talking to a girl he was friends with. The scumbag had done the same thing to a policeman years previously and got off on the charge somehow on a technidality. Had he been convicted and executed, my Brother would be alive today. Jail time would not guarantee scum like that would be rehabilitated.