Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

How would that be any sort of a deterrent? It’s bullshìt, it’d just be a waste of time, might as well have Roderic put the word out on Twitter for all the difference you think it’d make. Anyone who’s coming here wouldn’t be getting their information off Irish Twitter anyways, they’d be far more likely to get their information from local sources -

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/wicklow-resident-jailed-for-his-role-in-albanian-people-smuggling-operation-1334302.html

They’re smuggled into Ireland to get access to the UK, where as soon as they see the state of the place they want to go home, realising they’d been duped -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/07/albanian-channel-migrants-tiktok-victims-return-home/

As I posted in other thread one measure that should be introduced immediately is the following:

move customs/immigration control plus armed military presence to aircraft doors and any passenger without documentation is handcuffed there and then to be detained until verfied against passenger manifest.

Anyone without VISA is detained.

An ultimatum is given to airline to repatriate them to wherever they boarded.

If airline does not repatriate them on next flight out they are charged for their accommodation in an armed controlled locked down centre.

The next fix is to deport all the current asylum seekers/"those seeking international protection"/"those seeking temporary protection" in this country that have no identification.

Trace their arrivals.

And as part of the ongoing control bring in identification for all.

Most have some official identification already, they just might not always have it on their person.

Then if someone looks foreign and sounds foreign the Gardai are given powers and mandate to stop and detain people without identification or proof of residency.

If that had been in place there would be Japanese lad probably back in Japan with his family today.

Yeah yeah it is racial profiling, but it is done all the fooking time everywhere else on the planet.

These actions would immediately tell the world that chancing your arm is no longer on in Ireland and we are not the worlds dumping ground.

Airlines require a passport number, name, validity and expiry date to get a ticket, well any I have travelled with did. Is this not traceable by the immigration authorities regarding those who arrive without documents? What is the point of it then, unless it is to identify passengers if the plane goes down in a crash or something.

There is information out there, I often wonder why it is not used.

I do realise that some are entering the country by ferry or via NI. Can't understand why there is no requirement to have ID when booking a ferry ticket either, but maybe there is I dunno.

And where do you think "local sources" get their information if not from what you call irish twitter? A lot of recent arrivals come from the land of milk and honey with beautiful accent, mainly those who find Rwanda not particularly appealing.

Why are the UK having nowhere near as many economic migrants arriving at their airports as we are? What have they in place that we don't?

Local sources in their own countries of origin have their own networks of people who they rely on to get people out of their countries of origin, and into other countries, be it Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, Italy, y’know, wherever. I’m not sure who or what your point is in reference to tbh.

They do? Many millions more economic migrants in the UK arrive by air than by sea. What have they in place that we don’t? Many previous generations of economic migrants who are able to offer them a better life in the UK than what is available to them in their countries of origin.

Asylum applications

• The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily again throughout the 2010s and then sharply in 2021, to 50,042, which was the highest annual number since 2002.
• In the nine months to September 2022, there were 52,525 applications relating to 63,032 individuals (main applicants and dependents).
• The Covid-19 pandemic reduced the number of asylum seekers arriving by air routes in 2020 and 2021. However, during this time the number of people arriving in small boats across the Channel (most of whom applied for asylum) rose substantially.

Proportion of all migrants who are asylum seekers and refugees

• Asylum seekers made up around 6% of immigrants to the UK in 2019. In 2020, when overall immigration was lower than usual due to the pandemic, asylum seekers might have made up around 12% of immigrants.
• In the year ending 2022, the latest period for which we have estimates, asylum seekers and refugees made up approximately 17% of immigrants to the UK. This includes arrivals under the Ukraine schemes, the Afghan relocation and resettlement schemes, and arrivals in small boats (around 185,000 individuals in total). If including the British National (Overseas) scheme in the category of humanitarian routes, up to 24% of immigration in that year would fall into that category.

Decisions and refusals

• The percentage of asylum applicants refused at initial decision reached its highest point at 88% in 2004. Since then, the refusal rate has been falling overall and was at 23% in the year to September 2022, its lowest point since 1990.
• In the period from 2004 to 2020, around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodged an appeal and almost one third of those appeals were allowed.

Asylum caseload

• As of June 2022, the total ‘work in progress’ asylum caseload consisted of 166,100 cases. Of these, 101,400 cases were awaiting an initial decision, 4,900 were awaiting the outcome of an appeal, and approximately 38,900 cases were subject to removal action.
• The total asylum caseload has more than doubled in size since 2014, driven both by applicants waiting longer for an initial decision and a growth in the number of people subject to removal action following a negative decision.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

You call Helen McEntee and Roderick O Gorman traitors to Ireland, while at the same time referring to ‘our own native underclass’…

It must really confuse the hell out of you why there isn’t more popular support for your ideas among the people whom you consider to be ‘our own native underclass’ 🙄

ME feeling morally superior?

I’m not the poster who referred to anyone as traitors to Ireland, or referred to an underclass of people, or tried to assure anyone that the majority of the working class which they grew up in are sick to the teeth of being treated with contempt by Government. No, that was entirely your own doing, entirely based upon your own perception.

I pointed out the obvious stupidity of your comment. I’d only feel morally superior to you if I perceived you as being beneath me in some way. I don’t, but you clearly imagine yourself to be morally superior to other people on the basis of your own vision of what you imagine Irish society should be.

The dopamine rush went to your head, is the only reasonable explanation for your attitude towards other people whom you perceive as being beneath you.

It doesn’t even make any sense then, because John appears to be under the impression that criminality doesn’t exist among the middle and upper classes in Irish society. The only differentiating factors I’ve ever observed between social classes is that as you go up a class, the quality of drugs available is of a much higher quality, and the level of criminality is more lucrative 😁

In terms of population density though, which is what this thread is concerned with - Ireland’s ability to accommodate refugees, with the idea that Ireland is unable to accommodate more Ukrainian refugees as a consequence of an increase in non-Ukrainian refugees, we’re nowhere near that level yet, certainly not in terms of Ireland’s population density which, while it is above Sweden, it’s still far below the population density of the UK:

Ireland - 72 people per square kilometre

Sweden - 25 people per square kilometre

UK - 281 people per square kilometre

The argument that we will at some point in the future be more like Sweden as if that’s a bad thing from their perspective, simply makes no sense, as it is already less densely populated than Ireland!

Let them keep coming, the left says we have lots of room in Ireland and all these newcomers will be a huge benefit to the country, there is no need to have anyone vetted and we don't need to know who they are.

That sums up MCEntees and O Gormans view on the subject so yeah they will be remembered for all the wrong reasons when we have become a multicultural wasteland like much of the UK is now.

Protests in Baile Mun. This evening.

That's entirely up to the voters. If 50% of the electorate feel as exercisded about this issue as you claim, they're entirely free to turn around and vote for the Irish Freedom Party of the National party at the very next GE, absolutely no need to wait another 20 years...

That's a poor argument and you know it.

It seems to take about 20-25 years for a mainstream party or emerging new party to start dealing with these issues.We've seen this in other places, we were behind the curve in terms of refugees and we are well behind the curve in terms of dealing with it.

They were always nutter party's and it a dangerous game to start dismissing the concerns of large swathes of Ireland and lumping them in with such loons.