What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

jmayo, I'd be very happy for them to tighten up on the IP applicants and to get them processed and the chancers thrown out quick smart.

When someone comes in roaring and shouting about Ukrainians and trying to mix them all in together then that is creating a distraction. But if you really want to be part of the "welcome mat brigade" then that is what you will do. It is your prerogative to support them on that if you wish

I don't know how anyone, with even an tiny bit of undestanding, could have expected that it would be mainly Ukrainian women and children applying for IP. So what's the point of trying to distract from any possible solutions by adding that it?

Lol. Because I pointed out you were talking crap with your assertion that most people thought that the majority of IP applicant would be Ukrainian women and children

Lol again. Because it deserves more than one

Keep ranting away. All I did was point out that your statement was ridiculously and obviously incorrect. I don't know when I last posted on the thread before then. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you get the very very basics wrong

There certainly wont be any conversation about what it means systematically. When Sarah Everard was murdered in London back in 2021, from that single act there was an immediate launch of "a national conversation on women's safety".

Fine as far as it goes, but there absolutely wont be any "national conversation" about this crime and what it means in wider terms. At best it will be just the fewest possible facts, nothing to see here, move along. People are attacked for "exploiting" deaths, but the hypocrisy is strong. Media turns up the volume when the victim and perpetrator suits their narrative, and turns it all the way down when it doesn't.

It is curious how the nationality of the deceased is mentioned but not of the murderers.

It's pretty consistent as well.

Not sure why only one is important to inform people of.

The fact you can stab someone and not get deported just blows my mind. What sort of soft touch idiots are running this?

How has the number of passports being destroyed not rang alarm bells earlier.

Also would be very much in favour of a national id card, we are way too lax on security.

Where is any opposition party on this?

The sad thing is we actually can't help genuine people fleeing wars who be happy to come here and start afresh and actually be grateful.

The 100% blame for me is with Government, Media and NGO.

The country IS fućked basically.

To the extent that any crime is reported----and I suspect most isn't---its always reported in the most minimalist and matter-of-fact way. Often, the "journalists" don't even report facts; the articles are written so cryptically, you have to read between the lines (e.g., "a male living in Ireland since 2017," or "a person aged 29 whose family lives abroad".) Now, compare that to the tiresome and seemingly endless reporting on Enoch Burke or the Regency killing!

But which is more important from a public policy perspective?

Well, there is nothing we can do about Irish criminals already here. So determining the crime rates of prospective immigrants is surely important, no, from a policy perspective? If they have disproportionately higher crime rates, I don't think its a good idea to attract more. But that's just my view.

To take a related issue, in recent years, the vast majority of HIV diagnoses are in immigrants (which has soared last year). That's surely useful information from a policy perspective, no? That surely indicates a burden on our health system, no?

Well, there is nothing we can do about Irish criminals already here. So determining the crime rates of prospective immigrants is surely important, no, from a policy perspective? If they have disproportionately higher crime rates, I don't think its a good idea to attract more. But that's just my view. 

There’s plenty we do about people who commit crimes in this country regardless of their nationality? That’s a bizarre statement. No, determining the crime rates of prospective immigrants would be about as useful an exercise as reading tea leaves or attempting to predict the weather, and a complete waste of resources. Not to mention it would inevitably lead to these sorts of mistakes by authorities and medical professionals involved becoming more commonplace -

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/60-000-for-roma-family-whose-blonde-son-2-was-removed-by-gardai-1.2397511

To take a related issue, in recent years, the vast majority of HIV diagnoses are in immigrants (which has soared last year). That's surely useful information from a policy perspective, no? That surely indicates a burden on our health system, no?

I take it this is what you’re referring to?

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2022/11/29/hiv-cases-hit-10-year-high-as-testing-and-migration-rise-after-pandemic/

It’s useful data in terms of public health policies, not so much in terms of any argument that it places any significant burden on our health system when not only are the numbers of people diagnosed with HIV as small as they are, but also the fact that there are numerous organisations which already provide services to people living with a diagnosis of HIV, including immigrants -

https://gcn.ie/free-hiv-treatment-in-ireland/

Far more important in terms of public healthcare policies and arguments about pressures on our healthcare system is the data for the prevalence of STIs among the general population -

Chlamydia is the most common STD type in almost all age groups, with 4,541 cases of the infection reported in the first half of the year. The only age group which did not have chlamydia as the most common infection was those aged 60 and older, who had 19 cases of genital herpes, compared with 17 cases of both chlamydia and gonorrhea.

People aged 20 to 24 had the highest number of reported cases of STDs at 2,398. Men accounted for more of the total number infected than women, at 4,673 to 3,108.

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2022/07/14/number-of-sexually-transmitted-disease-cases-up-by-almost-45-in-first-half-of-year/

See in the coming years how democratic this country actually is…..

because it sure doesn’t seem very democratic right now… a dangerous and grim shift from democracy is what we are experiencing.

safety, wellbeing, wellness, choices and opportunity seriously becoming compromised…. The country we knew it’s probably dead and gone …

… it’s with O’Leary in the grave.