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Waterford Station closes after landslide!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,771 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Don't see IE seeking an order to abandon the railway line. There would be a huge backlash and while NTA and various political representatives have no power they do have influence.

    Guess we will have to wait and see if IE decide to run over the line or not in 2020.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,534 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    District manager, 2 admin staff and a safety liason.
    There are other staff located there but they are IMO staff (DTE’s)

    Edit: technically the line to Rosslare ain’t closed, yet.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see that disappear and centralised in Heuston.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    road_high wrote: »
    Wouldn’t be surprised to see that disappear and centralised in Heuston.

    Yep, makes sense alright. Has been hinted at many times.
    However it’s a good spot to keep certain assets at arms length.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,771 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    For a long time Waterford was bundled in with Connolly (Eastern and South Eastern) as it wasn't considered part of the Southern and Western routes at Heuston (according to customer service). The end result was it was impossible to get any issues resolved. They fobbed you off saying they would forward this to management in Heuston who usually didn't do much and then those in Connolly didn't really follow up. Neither side were responsible and problems were just ignored. This was particularly prevalent with capacity planning.

    Some changes in recent years. From a passenger prospective the district manager in Waterford wasn't good but probably down to the crowd in Dublin. Others across the country click there fingers and things get resolved quickly.

    The extra evening Sunday service, just how long its taken them to react. You could see this happening 6 months ago but they waited a further 2 months to see if passengers would take alternative transport instead of the train.

    Apart from a bit of staff admin and a few passenger query's hard to justify such staffing there unless they do other work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    For a long time Waterford was bundled in with Connolly (Eastern and South Eastern) as it wasn't considered part of the Southern and Western routes at Heuston (according to customer service). The end result was it was impossible to get any issues resolved. They fobbed you off saying they would forward this to management in Heuston who usually didn't do much and then those in Connolly didn't really follow up. Neither side were responsible and problems were just ignored. This was particularly prevalent with capacity planning.

    Some changes in recent years. From a passenger prospective the district manager in Waterford wasn't good but probably down to the crowd in Dublin. Others across the country click there fingers and things get resolved quickly.

    The extra evening Sunday service, just how long its taken them to react. You could see this happening 6 months ago but they waited a further 2 months to see if passengers would take alternative transport instead of the train.

    Apart from a bit of staff admin and a few passenger query's hard to justify such staffing there unless they do other work.

    All admin duties for RU staff on Rosslare as well as Waterford to Athy.

    A lot of staff have transferred to the new IMO department, particularly on the Lim Junction line. Makes sense now more than ever to move the Rosslare line to Connolly and the Waterford line to Heuston, imo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    For a long time Waterford was bundled in with Connolly (Eastern and South Eastern) as it wasn't considered part of the Southern and Western routes at Heuston (according to customer service). The end result was it was impossible to get any issues resolved. They fobbed you off saying they would forward this to management in Heuston who usually didn't do much and then those in Connolly didn't really follow up. Neither side were responsible and problems were just ignored. This was particularly prevalent with capacity planning.

    interesting, wasn't aware of that but in hind sight it explains a lot about issues on the waterford line.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    All admin duties for RU staff on Rosslare as well as Waterford to Athy.

    A lot of staff have transferred to the new IMO department, particularly on the Lim Junction line. Makes sense now more than ever to move the Rosslare line to Connolly and the Waterford line to Heuston, imo.

    RU and IMO, please explain these acronyms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    tabbey wrote: »
    RU and IMO, please explain these acronyms.

    It's RU and IM (not IMO), a European requirement to split railways as follows under the European Railway Safety Directive -

    Railway undertakings: public or private companies involved in the supply of goods and/or passenger transport services by rail.

    Infrastructure managers: bodies or companies responsible, in particular for establishing, building and maintaining infrastructure or a part of it, and safety.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    tabbey wrote: »
    RU and IMO, please explain these acronyms.

    Sorry. RU is the Railway Undertaking department. This covers staff like ticket inspectors, customer service both on board and station based. Platform/station staff and drivers.
    IMO is the Infrastructure Manager Operations. This covers Signalers, gatekeepers, the newly formed Mobile Rapid Response Team. Also any other staff involved in degraded works, e.g pilotworking.

    These two departments were the one entity up to about 5 years ago but had to be split, something to do with EU rules on state aid.

    Hope that makes sense.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    GM228 wrote: »
    It's RU and IM (not IMO), a European requirement to split railways as follows under the European Railway Safety Directive -

    Railway undertakings: public or private companies involved in the supply of goods and/or passenger transport services by rail.

    Infrastructure managers: bodies or companies responsible, in particular for establishing, building and maintaining infrastructure or a part of it, and safety.

    IMO is a department within the IM department.....

    See my previous post.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,771 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »


    What's the plan for the station - a couple of bus shelters and one platform should be good enough once the Greenway wipes out the Rosslare Strand/Waterford section and CIE close the line up to Limerick Junction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    What's the plan for the station - a couple of bus shelters and one platform should be good enough once the Greenway wipes out the Rosslare Strand/Waterford section and CIE close the line up to Limerick Junction.

    Anything but, sorry to say! It'll be a covered 2 platform through station that will have the city and long distance bus station on site, with a foot bridge linking directly across the river to the city. To be honest it's actually a fairly good plan and should do the city some good.

    Some diagrams towards the end of the below link

    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/projects/public-consultations/sdz-transport-hub/190911%20CE%20Report%20Transport%20Hub.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Anything but, sorry to say! It'll be a covered 2 platform through station that will have the city and long distance bus station on site, with a foot bridge linking directly across the river to the city. To be honest it's actually a fairly good plan and should do the city some good.

    Some diagrams towards the end of the below link

    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/projects/public-consultations/sdz-transport-hub/190911%20CE%20Report%20Transport%20Hub.pdf


    Very slow to load so I gave up. Why not a bay platform and a through platform thereby doing away with the need for lifts and foot bridges. I'll be back if the file downloads. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Very slow to load so I gave up. Why not a bay platform and a through platform thereby doing away with the need for lifts and foot bridges. I'll be back if the file downloads. :)

    Such points are answered in the linked document. It is slow to upload but just bear with it; you should be well enough used to waiting for answers from CIE by now :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    There is a Q and A mid document which seems to say that track layout is not set in stone but will be the subject of a separate process.

    Am I reading it right that BE will continue to operate a depot at the site and not merely a stop? That seems like a waste of developable land to me if an office tower or some other anchor development could be put there and land for the depot found elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    Good to see that POW made a submission about securing rail freight to and from the port during the works.

    May turn out to have been a very wise move


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭91wx763


    Good to see that POW made a submission about securing rail freight to and from the port during the works.

    May turn out to have been a very wise move

    Definitely. IÉ were alleged to have to had no plan for what happened during the building works particularly in the light of the new XPO flow coming at the same time as the development starting !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭91wx763


    There's been nothing on here for ages but big rockface works are going on the moment. A railwayman told me the bill will be up to €6 million when its finished. Rumours on the local radio were that the "new" station is doomed and IÉ are readying the long currently disused platform for service again so full length trains can operate on the line with reduced shunting to Sallypark yard needed.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,771 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    WCC awareded the works to Cumnor Construction Ltd and Suir Plant Ltd and 9 months timeframe.

    "The main works will include the installation of measures such as rock bolts, active and passive rockfall protection netting, reinforced earth berms and rock traps; and drainage system involving horizontal drains, interceptor ditch, chute pipe and intake, an energy dissipation manhole, manholes and buried drainage. The work will include a combination of works from the ground level and abseiling works."

    An Bord Pleanala are due to rule on this flood scheme for Sallypark and the station. It was reported back in Jan a decision was due in April but not happened AFAIK.

    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/projects/public-consultations/flood-defence-west/EIAR%20Vol%201%20NonTechnical%20Summary.pdf]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Funding has been approved for the new Waterford station, an integrated transport hub no less, and BAM appointed as contractor;

    Is it a bit short sighted to only have two platforms at the new station? That may be enough for now but surely even a third platform would have been sensible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Valhalla90


    I wonder will Plunkett station be put to any use at all when the new station is operational? Overall the move is better and will be closer to the city centre!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    dont think anything has been announced for its use after the move, has it?

    badly needed, will massively benefit the region when done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    What use could it be put too? Given it is CIE owned, it would make sense to use it as a depot for an expanded city bus service but there probably isn't space for that. If the upper floors were vacant earlier this year, it would probably would have been converted to living accommodation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Bodan


    What do you think of the rail service in Clonmel and south Tipperary?

    People are being encouraged to express their views on the timetable of trains that serve Clonmel Railway Station. This request was made by the town’s first citizen ahead of a meeting with Irish Rail representatives on March 11. District Mayor Richie Molloy has stated that any suggestions made by members of the public for improvements to the timetable would be raised by council members at the meeting with Irish Rail. He told a meeting of Clonmel Borough District that he always believed that Irish Rail were deliberately trying to run down the station by providing such a poor timetable.

    Cllr Michael Murphy said he met a group of students who, because they couldn’t secure private rented accommodation in Waterford, had to commute to the South East Technological University (SETU) in Waterford each day.The train would be ideal for those students but it arrived in Waterford at 11.30am, which was too late. The same applied to people from Clonmel who were working in Waterford.

    Cllr Pat English said that the forthcoming meeting with Irish Rail was overdue. The Clonmel station needed a revamp, with the provision of toilets and litter management, and a more passenger-friendly timetable was also needed.Cllr John FitzGerald said “the day is gone” by the time the Clonmel train arrived in Waterford.Cllr Siobhán Ambrose said that it was like “a Clonmel reunion” on the platforms at Thurles and Kilkenny Railway Stations because people couldn’t get a service from Clonmel, unless you were retired or going on a day trip.

    The timetable wasn’t conducive to people going to work or hospital appointments, or students going to university.She feared that if the Clonmel station wasn’t used it would be lost.

    more at the link...

    I know this is about Waterfords Train station but this is kind of related.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Randall Unkempt Tequila


    Can't complain about any of those issues/criticisms raised. All valid points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Bodan


    Latest update from the new Waterford station



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