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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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    #2192
    charlie_says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120083525#Comment_120083525

    Hang on, the people you mentioned are sensible centrists not extreme right wingers.


    Extreme position: bring in lots of unknown dependent people who are culturally different, perhaps not even speaking the same language, in an acute economic, housing and crime crisis. Bonus: many of them have what really are considered far right positions (Sharia law, extreme nationalism)

    Sensible centrist position: no lets not do that and especially at the rate that we are doing it!



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    #2193
    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086029#Comment_120086029

    Ad hominems, the hallmark of reason and logic.

    Glazers Out!



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    #2194
    lmao10
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086128#Comment_120086128

    Lol you gotta love the far right trying to downplay the far right. "They are just sensible centrists". oookaay



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    #2195
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086128#Comment_120086128

    Sensible centrists?

    Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters and Hermann Kelly?

    🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Extremist hate mongering bigots; O'Doherty, Waters and Kelly

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2196
    Guess_Who
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086406#Comment_120086406

    In fairness, that's not what I see being said.

    What I have seen is people saying that fringe groups on either side are silly, ridiculous and dangerous, and to start a whole thread demonising one side while ignoring the side you agree with, is ignorant.

    Unfortunately, anyone who doesn't immediately agree with the sentiment in the OP is, themselves, deemed far right by more than a few, from what I have read here.

    So of course anyone who thinks that the far left have some culpability will be labelled far right, which further weakens your position.

    It's very much like "anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi".



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    #2197
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086472#Comment_120086472

    Nazism is the new centrism.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2198
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120085193#Comment_120085193
    1. Given the amount of Federal agents and informers in place in high-ranking positions in these groups, questions need to be asked about what they were doing at the planning stage - shuffling their feet "observing" others? It is just odd. I think perhaps they let it go ahead so they could sweep up people with multiple arrests afterwards.
    2. The 1916 insurrection was very organised and had uniformed, trained volunteers with gun-running and grenades. It was a proper military operation. A bunch of protestors over-running buildings and being cleared out by security forces seems by contrast pretty amateur and I wonder why they bother.


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    #2199
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086504#Comment_120086504

    Hermann Kelly with all his links to Nazis and Nutters.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/12/08/irish-freedom-party-leader-rejects-nazism-and-nuttery-after-links-emerge-to-german-far-right-judge/


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2200
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086513#Comment_120086513
    1. "Given the amount of Federal agents and informers in place in high-ranking positions in these groups, questions need to be asked about what they were doing at the planning stage - shuffling their feet "observing" others? It is just odd. I think perhaps they let it go ahead so they could sweep up people with multiple arrests afterwards.

    Uhuh. Any data? Otherwise off you go into conspiracy theories. "The FBI caused the insurrection/The CIA provided the agitators/..." Let me make this simple - thousands of people came to DC to riot, and riot they did. Some number (1200? ) have been arrested at this point and some number convicted. Some have received serious sentences like Stewart Rhodes. Most have not and a lot of them have served their sentences already.

    But, one things for sure: they were 'on the right' and threat indeed came from the right. When a sitting Supreme Court Justice's wife is at the insurrection and a strong supporter of the stolen election lie, I submit that this is mainstream right-wing American thinking, not far right at all.



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    #2201
    SafeSurfer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120085709#Comment_120085709

    There are just as many, if not more far left attacks on democracy. Just a few weeks ago there was a far left coup attempt in Peru by president Pedro Castillo with the usual street violence.

    Of course the overwhelmingly left wing western media covers left wing and right wing extremism differently.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #2202
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086908#Comment_120086908

    I linked to court transcripts in the Jan 6th thread.

    Infiltration of Proud Boys, Oath Keepers etc is a fact.

    I haven't come to any conclusions, I've said questions need to be asked.

    FBI interfered with Hillary Clinton's campaign with timely leaks, helping get Trump elected. Then deciding they didn't like Trump after all and giving him non-stop legal grief for 4 years. What will they be at next?

    FBI should get scrutiny.



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    #2203
    growleaves
    Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Try to really think instead of just falling into neatly pre-made partisan patterns.

    @Igotadose I have seen you repeat talking points from the media word for word on this thread.



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    #2204
    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086472#Comment_120086472
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086504#Comment_120086504
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086519#Comment_120086519

    Who here is supporting any of these people?

    The usual sensationalist nonsense from the looney left.

    Glazers Out!



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    #2205
    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086967#Comment_120086967

    Just like communist regimes of the past are retroactively being reimagined as socialist utopias.

    Next we'll be told the Gulags never existed and were made up by someone in a MAGA hat to discredit the left.

    Glazers Out!



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    #2206
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086971#Comment_120086971

    The danger still is coming from the right. And, despite what you might think, I don't follow your posts that closely. So, what is your best argument (not "I linked to something in some other thread") that defuses or otherwise refutes the argument that the threat's coming from the right? Or, do you agree, that it is? Seems pretty glaringly obvious.

    Feel free to raise an FBI-needs-to-be-investigated thread somewhere. Or, write to Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan, seems like they'll be getting up to that in the 118th Congress.

    "Just asking questions" is well known CT technique; make your point, back it up. So, what is it? The threat's not coming from the right, it's coming from the FBI?



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    #2207
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086128#Comment_120086128

    Sensible centrists?

    On what planet?



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    #2208
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087068#Comment_120087068

    I wasn't addressing you in the first place but another poster.

    Go back to hiding in fear the Trumpstapo will come and take you away in the middle of the night.



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    #2209
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086971#Comment_120086971

    Of course the FBI infiltrated Proud Boys. How better to access what it is they are planning and doing?

    This is common law enforcement practice on pretty much every country worldwide.

    But you think that they did this to direct the acts of Jan6th? On what basis? The proud boys were in direct contact with Roger Stone who actually advocated for violence.

    Do you think undercover cops who infiltrate drug gangs are doing so to try to shift even more coke?



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    #2210
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087156#Comment_120087156

    They had high-ranking Federal agents and informers in place *before* Jan 6th.

    If it is a scary fascist coup that might have succeeded (do you really believe that?) then why didn't they make arrests beforehand and shut it down.

    In any case, I'm mainly just saying the FBI shouldn't float by without scrutiny of their actions.



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    #2211
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086967#Comment_120086967

    Peru is and has been a shutshow for several years and is likely going to continue in this manner. Castillo acted in an attempt to prevent Congress impeachment him. Absolutely an attempt coup but the problems there are long way from being solely left wing. You should look in to it.

    Also, western media is in no way overwhelmingly left wing. Rupert Murdoch has dominated both print and TV media for probably 40 years nearly now with massive consequences.

    The most popular cable news channel, by a distance, in the US is right wing. Theres a handful of true left wing print outlets in the UK versus a whole range of right wing ones.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087054#Comment_120087054

    The communist regimes you are referring to, I imagine, were hijacked by dictators acting in their own interests. That is a weakness of the ideology that it leaves itself open to this happening (George Orwell may have written about this), but that is not the same as the motivations of fascism.

    But again, as before, no one is advocating for communism here or denying the darker elements that did act under its name. It's a topic for a history thread more than this one anyway as lok ted out several times to you.



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    #2212
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087181#Comment_120087181

    Because it wasn't just Proud Boys and the people who were planning it as a coup, Trumps circle and a few more, were only hoping that there was going to be significant disruption enough to convince Pence to revert to states to nominate electoral slates.

    Nobody us saying it was well planned, just that it did get way closer to stopping proceedings than it should have done.



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    #2213
    charlie_says
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086504#Comment_120086504

    Extreme position: bring in lots of unknown dependent people who are culturally different, perhaps not even speaking the same language, in an acute economic, housing and crime crisis. Bonus: many of them have what really are considered far right positions (Sharia law, extreme nationalism)

    Many people believe the above is an extreme position. Can you show why it isn't an extreme position?



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    #2214
    charlie_says
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087127#Comment_120087127

    As I said before I believe this:

    Extreme position: bring in lots of unknown dependent people who are culturally different, perhaps not even speaking the same language, in an acute economic, housing and crime crisis. Bonus: many of them have what really are considered far right positions (Sharia law, extreme nationalism)

    is an extreme position. Why do you think this not the case?



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    #2215
    growleaves
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    @Tell me how 'The communist regimes you are referring to, I imagine, were hijacked by dictators acting in their own interests. That is a weakness of the ideology that it leaves itself open to this happening (George Orwell may have written about this)'

    In the book within a book written by Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984 - which is a parody of Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed - Orwell satirically implies that the main Communist revolutionaries of the past, or even all revolutionaries, are self-interested fakes and frauds.



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    #2216
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087309#Comment_120087309

    Because there is zero evidence that those who have come have contained such ideals in any sort of significant numbers. Neither have they been found to have been members of extremists groups, or have coalescesed in to such a group enough for it to be seen as a common or expected occurrence.



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    #2217
    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087221#Comment_120087221

    Lol.

    "Communist regimes only went bad when they were hijacked by dictators"

    You just jumped the shark.

    Funny how the Soviet Union found itself being hijacked by dictator after dictator.

    Maybe the communist dogma was the real problem? No couldn't be, communism is a perfect ideology that only has one flaw, its uncanny ability to lead to mass death and misery and that's all the fault of the far right somehow.

    Why should anyone entertain your assertion about the how "the dangers are coming from the right"?

    The worst thing about this bizarre ideology of yours is that there's a plethora of people lining up to agree with it.

    Glazers Out!



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    #2218
    Foxtrol
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087309#Comment_120087309

    Welcoming refugees is not an extreme position.

    Up until relatively recently the Irish migrating throughout the world fit into basically all of those descriptions.

    bring in lots of unknown dependent people who are culturally different, perhaps not even speaking the same language, in an acute economic, housing and crime crisis. Bonus: many of them have what really are considered far right positions

    Were countries accepting Irish emigrants 'extreme'?



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    #2219
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087401#Comment_120087401

    Trotsky from day one was a psychopathic mass murderer, Putin has a long way to go before he scratches the surface of people like Lenin or Trotsky and co. inflicted on people.


    Stalin was not the Bolshevik Revolution being twisted, he was it's natural conclusion.


    The ideology is a large part of the problem but the people who it appeals to are a bigger one.



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    #2220
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087401#Comment_120087401

    So what?

    I haven't advocated for communism, made excuses for it, or see it as relevant to this discussion.

    Why do a few of you keep wanting to make this conversant it? It is close to irrelevant in the world in which most of us live.



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    #2221
    Jack Daw
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087494#Comment_120087494



    Countries where Irish Immigrants mainly went over the years were UK,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand all of whom shared the same language as ourselves and all of whom have similar cultural background.i.e Christian and European.



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