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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    nope. Research from press reports and independent studies freely available online. There’s plenty about. Here’s one on Wikipedia no less : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany


    I also didn’t want to believe it at first and gaslit myself on it. But the more I read the more I couldn’t ignore it. Pro immigration folks mostly coming from a good place but don’t consider the long term consequences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Dude, I'm not going to talk about this with you ever again because it's just too silly.

    Simply put, asylum seekers with a genuine case or economic migrants generally tend to have **** all money.

    It should be blindingly **** obvious to you, but for some reason it is not. I've tried and failed. Now it's someone else's turn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    Not racist and not prejudiced. So are Arab states progressive and in line with Irish culture ??? What are there views on female and gay rights ?

    Well there’s plenty of young men from those states (not even refugees) coming over here. And bringing those views with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭DaithiMa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,664 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Oh don't worry about me Tony, I see first hand what is happening because 100 people were dumped here last year and we knew nothing about it until they arrived, fortunately for us they were Ukranian women and children but I can understand the anger when its young men who arrive.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    We closed our last Magdalene laundry in 1996. Eight years ago, gay marriage, abortion and even divorce were illegal here.

    Again, pretty much every post you make stinks of racism and prejudice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    10k + on the homeless list

    where does this very dangerous individual think these own door keys will come from?



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    last I checked the laundry was closed and what you mentioned was legal.

    but go on then. How are women and gay men treated in Algeria ?? Enlighten me and stop dodging the question

    if you’re insinuating it’s the same as Ireland then you sir are clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,994 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    This issue will only be taken seriously by Government when those in affluent areas are affected and only then. But the Government will make sure that doesn't happen, the proof is in front of our eyes on that one. The resentment of many is not only the result of a seemingly unfair advantage that incomers without a visa have in relation to the natives, but also the view that it is an issue ONLY for those suburbs where the movers and shakers do not live. I don't think I have heard of any influx in Dalkey, Foxrock, Clontarf, Howth, Castleknock, Ballsbridge etc. and similar in other cities. Has anyone?

    The second issue is that it is only the Right who are giving a voice to people who rightly or wrongly feel aggrieved by the influx at the expense of their communities (but not the communities of the well heeled at all). Sinn Fein will not tinker with the asylum process, so that avenue for the ordinary Joe/Josie voter is also gone.

    I am not one bit surprised that people are angry and frustrated. It is not racism it is fear. Fear of not having any power to change things ever. That is not a good place to be for many.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    All the more reason to allow asylum for gay Algerians. Is that what you're getting at? I'd wholeheartedly agree if so.

    Homosexuality was legalized in Ireland in 1993.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,874 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Some of our political parties are considering how they can best make the situation more unsustainable than it already is. They are in a complete cuckoo land of their own.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A housing crisis is caused solely by a lack of sufficient housing and accommodation, not by there being "too many people in the country". At a population of 5m, we have a relatively small population by European standards. Small countries like Scotland, Denmark, Finland and Norway have more people than us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Most of us would at least consider becoming economic migrants if we faced similar economic situations that many arriving here have endured.

    I would anyways. I'd do my best to try to pull my family out of poverty.

    I'm not saying they should be granted asylum, but I've zero issues with someone trying desperately to have a decent sort of life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭lmao10


    You said before you believe they all have "made up stories". You're clearly not able to assess the situation logically.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Like I said before, he was caught on here saying that they all have "made up stories". That's the kind of mentality he has towards them all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I laughed. lol. Nice one. I presume he'd be totally for asylum on the basis of being persecuted for being gay. I'm sure he also voted in favour of gay marriage and cares so deeply about gay rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Poll on 'Do you believe the Govt is handling the refugee/asylum seeker situation well?' (paraphrased) on 'Tonight' on VM1


    Yes 10%

    No 90%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Simply put, asylum seekers with a genuine case or economic migrants generally tend to have **** all money.

    I'd disagree with the last part of your statement that I've highlighted. To get into the EU one needs a fair wad of cash to make the journey and any additional flights too.

    By not stopping this influx of people we're encouraging a drain of the middle classes (by their standards) in poorer nations. It's a brain drain that serves to leave those nations with less resources to make their way out of poverty.

    We've first hand experience of this in Ireland with many missing generations gone in the 60s, 70s and 80s and again in the 2008-2014 era.

    Why is this not being stopped? It is of no benefit to Ireland or much of the EU to have an influx of low-skilled migrants, many of whom's culture have stark contrasts to our own.

    It's not going to end well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    The 10% yes, is from the NGO's. Taking money from the 90% saying no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Danno, of course it costs money to get here. But the idea that asylum seekers typically have enough money to pay for western health care out their own pocket when they arrive is of course completely bonkers.

    As to why it's not being stopped - it can't be stopped unless a nation is prepared to be spectacularly cruel to people in desperate need.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    I am in favour of both.

    you still don’t get it do you. I’m not far right. I want Ireland to stay a liberal country - and letting in tens of thousands of young men , unvetted because they destroyed their own passports , from counties that have totally opposite views to ours - is a recipe for disaster !



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Yes!

    We must maintain our liberal society by excluding all people whose views do not perfectly align with ours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    You’ve still not answered my question.

    how are women and the gay community treated in the countries that raised them. Let’s say Algeria and Somalia.


    come on answer the question. You’ve dodged it now for hours. Answer it.

    do you not think those views are important?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Look I'm no expert on either country, but I wouldn't judge an individual on the basis of the laws of the country they are trying to escape from.

    You're again saying something incredibly racist. That these individuals are fundamentally incompatible with us and our society.

    It's a load of bollocks. Perhaps you don't consider yourself to be far right, but in every post in this thread you've said something racist.

    I have zero problem with people from Algeria or Somalia coming to live in Ireland. Except of course that they would have to integrate and live alongside people like you who think they are fundamentally incompatible with us.

    It's just a really **** horrible point of view that you insist on sharing again and again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,136 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It would’ve been 10 viewers out of 10 only for the last lad - hand slipped on the phone while he was pulling’ d’skeleton out of himself same time as he watching d’telly 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    I'm going to say something REALLY politically incorrect there. But hey if others can be incorrect so can I. I'm sorry but it needs to be said.

    You can't put a group of refugees in affluent areas. This is what the general public fails to understand.


    Affluent areas do not have state schools or govt buildings to put them. They have private schools. They don't have community centres. They don't have social workers. They don't have doctors that take medical cards. Rich people don't USE this stuff.


    Guess where the infrastructure for those things IS??? Less affluent areas.


    Guess whose taxes pay for those services in those less affluent areas? People in Dalkey etc etc.


    Do you think there are many social workers in Dalkey?? Many state schools?


    It's a politically incorrect thing to say. But it's the truth.


    One refugee needs like 3 social workers. Little D4 darling goes to three private therapists. I'm not judging either party. But I'm just telling you the truth.


    Neither half knows how the other half lives.



    And by the way people who use the argument against refugees in their area...that is EXACTLY the same argument people in affluent areas use against having social housing in their area for people from housing estates etc. People from council estates cause more crime etc etc we won't be safe. Bleh bleh. (im not saying it's right but im saying i hear it)


    'You are fashioning the rods for your own backs.' Is a saying that comes to mind.


    No one thinks the people of Fox Rock are LESS racist. Don't be silly. But you really think Fox Rock has govt facilities to deal with it? How many state schools does dalkey have? Lots of local aldis around where people with not much money can shop???


    How could a refugee afford to live in Fox Rock even with provided accommodation?? I couldn't afford that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,622 ✭✭✭maninasia


    What happens when somebody tries to put 1.2 litres of water in a 1.0 litre bottle?


    Answers on a postcard please!!!

    (and ffs get your geography up to speed Finland and Norway are massive compared to Ireland)


    No amount of WISHFUL THINKING CHANGES ANY FACT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Islam does plenty of integration.

    ... just in the opposite direction.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Not that youre wrong.

    But, isnt it just spectacular how without fail theres always a perfectly good reason for anything good going to the same places, and anything considered undesirable staying well away.

    Its like magic.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I'm not sure what you mean.


    Do I think a lot of things are unfair in the city ? Yes without question.


    Do I think people in Fox Rock have any idea of what Ballymun as a community has been through in the last 10 yrs? No. Not even the most enlightened leftist perhaps they even know the least.


    The whole idea of putting social housing into private areas was to STOP these types of imbalances. But then you get people objecting because the council is building 250k apartments in the same building where there are 650k apartments etc. Because why should yer man get a free apartment bleh bleh. And it's like dude work it out.


    Then you get people who live in council houses now convinced they are MAGA. And are going to protest the refugees along with the National Party. A party that wants to get rid of ALL state socialism. You can't be a far right conservative and live in a council house. If you keep going down that path you will end up homeless!


    And you get the person saying OH i can't get this because refugees are taking up all our resources ..well you could say that about ANYONE ...the homeless take up all our resources etc etc the state schools take up all our resources people on the dole take up all our resources the pensioners take up all our resources it never ends if you go down that route.


    We all take up air.



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