Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

What misinformation?

A pupil publicly disparaging a member of staff is grounds for suspension. Imagine if someone had stood up at the podium at that school event and called Burke a bigot? even though he is one

Privately making a bullying complaint is not, of course, but you know that was not what I was talking about. Again with the disingenuous posting. But the important thing to remember is that you do not support Burke. 👍️

It's not the 1950s any more, people are not obliged to be silent even if you'd rather they were

Also - so what? Bitching about who posts in what thread is an amazing level of pettiness. Do you think the fall of the catholic church from its position of incredible unaccountable power in Ireland to the present and its accelerating decline is a topic worthy of discussion?

If you don't, I suggest you get over it.

I also dont quite understand - Its hard to say when the admission and anti bullying policies which are explicitly inclusionary were introduced but I suspect they are not very recent. I do wonder why Burke accepted the job if the school had such policies.

The secondary school that our kids go too, one has a friend who has changed her name and is know as they in class and the teachers just get on with teaching and no attention is drawn to the situation. The school has multiple nationalities and religion and has its policies which the children and teachers adhere to every day, no pressure or spotlight is put on the child and this is the way it should be instead of bullying and mental health issues or worse. Burke situation is about him and his religious beliefs and trying to force it on other people.

wtf

now it's not what I post it's what I don't post that you take exception to?

wtf???

nobody is obliged to pour their whole life out onto Boards for your entertainment pal.

Get a grip

Dav argues about the characterisation of whether 'questioning loudly' qualifies as "a history of violence" (Boggles) and of course that is untakeable and causes multi-page arguments.

Lets keep it factual will we. I know it could be a struggle.

Dav said

A robust exchange of views is not violence

You don't get suspended for that do you?

Discuss.

Please again, if we could keep it factual. I mean there is no point having a debate on what sanitised version of the Burke supporters on here believed happened, is there?

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Probably because his suspension hearing is on 19th January and his hight court injunction to stop the suspension is on 11th January

The school would have to complain to the gardai

They called the Gardaí last week AFAIK, who fobbed it off as a civil matter.

Let's just say if it was Tesco he would have been dragged out of there and charged with criminal trespass.

again you mischaracterise things. there wasn't a row between the teacher and the principal. burke decided to verbally abuse the principal publicly and had to separated from the principal. One person shouting at another who us trying to get away is not a row.

A pupil publically disparaging a member of staff is grounds for suspension, correct. Is it correct then to take it you are inferring that Burke publically disparaged the Principal?

If that's the case, we don't know if Burke made disparaging remarks to the Principal. I haven't seen a transcript of what Burke is alleged to have said at the function. I don't think one is public knowledge but happy to be corrected on that. For all we know, he may have only been complaining about the Policy that the school had issued and said nothing disparaging about the Principal, and only the Policy.

We only have the media etc. reports saying that Burke was aggressive towards the Principal and the media aren't always right. We don't know if that's true or not. You can see in this thread how things can be misinterpreted, i.e. people believing he was jailed for not calling a boy a girl when he was actually jailed for ignoring a court order.

My personal view is that he is a plonker but, if he was only shouting/talking loudly/whatever at the Principal about the Policy and didn't get personal with her, then I don't think it's a sackable offence. Probably some sort of disciplinary sanction but maybe not sacking. Breaking the court order is another matter and I'd boot (not literally) him up the hole and out the door for that - correct procedures n'all that followed etc. or else the school, the Pope, the Head of the GAA and everyone else will be sued by him.