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The Banshees Of Inisherin

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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Seneca the Stoic


    You’re the one who needs to relax. Second-guessing anyone who dares not exalt the film. Asking people did they watch it “properly” 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Having talked to a good circle of friends and acquaintances over Christmas

    A few good souls liked it or said it was a bit mehhh.

    but a lot didn’t like the film - totally over rated and over hyped.

    the best comment was from a friend who said it was “wetherspoons Beckett effort from a plastic paddy” - I thought that was nail on head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I find the old begorragh begorragh view of Ireland with farm animals wandering about the kitchen a bit cringe. And the implication that they spend their days in a pub drinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's weird that this film is upsetting some people so much in that they're finding it so hard to buy into in the events that unfold on the screen. It's essentially a play and, as such, has a heightened sense of reality. You're not really meant to think "sure, this would happen in real life", just as you're not meant to think that 'In Bruges' or 'Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri' are realistic, true to life yarns. As someone else put it, succinctly, it's Beckett crossed with 'Father Ted' in as much that it has a fairly out there story set on the gloominess of Craggy Island. Also, the actions and motivations of the characters are left open to your own interpretation. So people should feel free to see what they can in the story.

    And as Marcel Duchamps said, "All art is what you say it is", or words to that effect anyway. So therefore, the viewer is entitled to react to the film in the way that they do. Whether that's a natural reaction or whether they went in looking to hate it in the first place.

    Personally, I thought the film was very good, if taken as semi absurdist theatre. Probably the directors best so far and it doesn't have that extreme shift in tone that lets the final third of 'In Bruges' down.

    Acting wise, I think everyone was excellent, including the much maligned Barry Keoghan (who seems to get an inordinate amount of hate for some odd reason) and, to me, all the main characters are well drawn people beset by their own burdens. Farrell's Padriac is nice, but incredibly dull and not the brightest shilling either, and therefore hindered by a lack of personality and intelligence. That's coupled with an pig headed inability to simply accept a situation and move on.

    Gleeson's Colm is a man nearing the end of his life and realising he's done nothing with it. He's also lumbered with a (possibly) mediocre talent and also has a mediocre ambition to write a bit of music before he gives up completely - IIRC we never actually get to hear that piece of music. As he says he's just marking time until the inevitable and that sudden epiphany and the further spiral into a depressive state is his burden. He's also burdened by the other realisation that he's never really liked his "lifelong friend" and was simply marking time there as well. Colm is a man that wants to be remembered far more than he deserves to be because he's done nothing memorable.

    Kelly Condon's character, Siobhan, is a smart woman who's wasted her years with her head in books. She has a palpable disdain for the people of the island, whom she views as "boring". She wants to run away to bury herself in a library job which is, more than likely, her metaphorical conclusion as a spinster, doomed to live out her years in loneliness on the more populated mainland.

    And, finally, Keoghan's character of Dominic is burdened with, seemingly, a mental condition which renders an ability to interact with the other islanders. He's written off a "dumb" or "slow" and his destiny is to be the village idiot, which he's half way there to becoming. But in a couple of scenes, we see that perhaps he's not as stupid as the people of the island believe him to be. He's also abused by his father, a man who revels in his position as "the law" on the island, and that may well play an important part in his stunted mental growth. Dominic's way out of his burden is, as he desperately hopes, through Siobhan. But his advances are politely refused, with devastating consequences.

    All of the main characters are well realised, even if it's within the film's own particular sense of reality. Of course Colm's extreme reaction wouldn't happen in real life, but his existential crisis of his own dawning inconsequential being is one that many of us will come to understand and there are many of us who would do worse than what Colm did and choose to take the ultimate act of mutilation.

    At the very least, 'The Banshees of Inisherin' provided a reaction, whether it was positive of negative. And it has enough going on in it to provoke a thought or two, which is more than can be said for a lot of movies these days. That alone makes it worth a watch.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Seneca the Stoic


    Not sure anyone is getting upset, on this thread at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    Ah in fairness , island life back then, I'd say a lot spent their days in the pub. I didn't like the movie though , boring. And I wasn't on my phone hahah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just on the first paragraph. I know it's not supposed to be realistic and I know it's like a play but I just didn't think it was a good one.

    The big difference between this and In Bruges or Billboards is they had humour to make the surreal work. And it's nothing like Father Ted other than being set on a version of Iniseer.

    Again as I said further up thread people are getting annoyed due to being told we were just too thick to understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    It was fairly mediocre, lets' be honest.

    What upsets me most is how the numpties in the likes of any awards awarding grouping ( ie Vienna, Cannes, Berlin etc ) feel they have the right to emulate a pretty bland production the realms of brilliance, when clearly it isn't?

    I have been watching Fims and movies for almost half a century now, I don't need to be told what I should or shouldn't like, or my preference patronised either?

    I might not get the nod for many red carpets, but it was crap? I don't care if it was written as a play either, it highlights to me how people should follow their own insitincts on media reviews - in particular, bollo generated by Rotten Tomatoes or Meta Critic.?

    I look forward to now spending the next few years having a good look at all the 30% reviews received by these accumulations, I know for a fact I will be more than entertained, at least. I have sat through far too many overhyped productions in the last decade to prove a point.

    With respect to anyone involved in the production, I am sure you all did your very best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    By 'Father Ted', I mean the setting, not the humour content, which is minimal just like every other McDonagh production. I, frankly, have no idea why his films are considered comedies for the most part, dark or otherwise. 'Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri' wasn't the slightest bit comedic, and although 'In Bruges' is fun up to a certain point...it abruptly stops being fun with an incredibly uncomfortable break neck tonal change.

    But 'The Banshee's Inisherin' is Father Ted-esque merely because it's set on an island that's populated with odd characters. However, it's certainly leans more towards Beckett territory, than Linehan/Mathews.

    By the way, surrealism doesn't need humour to work. They can, and often do, exist independent of one another. But if 'The Banshee's Inisherin' isn't for you, or anyone else for that matter, then that's just what it is. And at the end of the day everyone sees their own film or reads their own book or listens to their own music.

    However, what the film isn't is "terrible", or "crap" or any number of variations on that type of remark. I've seen a lot of genuinely terrible movies and McDonagh's film isn't within a sniff of that yardstick.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I've been genuinely surprised to see such online pushback against the film being labelled a comedy. There was some debate about that when it won a 'best comedy or musical' film award somewhere recently. It's classed in the same category for the Golden Globes, incidentally, as opposed to drama. I thought it was a very explicitly comedic film, while also of course being a dark drama ('tragicomedy', as Wikipedia lists it, seems about right). Whether individual viewers find it funny or not is one thing, but there are lots of comic moments and laugh lines scattered throughout the film that are very much designed as such. When I watched it in the cinema there were plenty of moments that drew very big laughs from the audience. The film goes dark for sure with moments that are very much not comic, but I thought it achieved a balance that McDonagh struggled a bit more with in some of his previous films.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I would definitely see humour in Billboards. Not using any sort of jokes or set pieces but in sheer absurdity.

    I do think surrealism needs that sort of absurd "haha that was a bit mad" reaction where as in this movie all the surreal stuff just felt flat. It was very "wow he cut his finger off" rather than "WOW! HE CUT HIS FINGER OFF" if you get me.

    Judging against other movies is a tough one. Compared to Battlefield Earth or Sex and the City 2 it's a masterpiece so saying it's "better than many other movies" is ya correct but compared to similar movies like the ones you mentioned it's very forgettable or compared to other acclaimed movies. It's certainly not the worst movie I've seen this year (Amsterdam)



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Anyone who has seen mcdonaghs "cripple of inishman" knows the tone and absurdist comedy that mc donagh produces, and this move is essentially a cinemaic version of this. It's the same isolist, nosey, absurd island life in both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i saw it in the cinema and still didn't really know what the F it was all about. i still kind of enjoyed it but i don't really get the hype and wouldn't want to see it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I really regret not getting to this when it came out in London.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Caught it in Dublin, well worth taking it in if it gets to your area again



  • Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Denny61


    Just saw it on tv last night. A forgettable movie to be honest .had a few characters in it That a story should have been built around..like siobhan ..but it was jst all about following Colin Farell around and watching him ask gleesons character hundreds of times...why have you fallen out with me..or why aren't you taking to me..if not telling each and every islander what the hell is wrong with him...I lost the will to live half way in ..the only two winners out of this are the animals and the scenery .its no wonder people around the world view us as simpletons and backwards and still think we live like that in the present .mac Donagh should only be let near plays on stage but not mainstream tv or cinema..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I assume the idea is you see it from Farrell's POV because he is the one with the most to lose between friends, sisters and donkeys but I think it would have been much better to explore why Gleeson came to the conclusions he did about life or the very interesting Condon and the sad life of a thoughtful and intellectual woman of that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    This was the first film I’ve seen by McDonagh, I didn’t know what to expect from it. The film seems to have gone down well with the critics though as is evident from the award nominations. But I didn’t enjoy it when I watched it, it felt bleak, it wasn’t what I was looking for sitting down on a Friday night. Maybe if I had watched it another night on my own I might have seen it differently. I can’t fault the acting though.

    Tony EH thanks for the rundown on the film btw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,601 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    It is film of the year 2022 for me, it represents rural Ireland well, the loneliness, the friendships, music, animals, local pub socialising etc., top class acting performances by all involved



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  • Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Denny61


    Yes I can see your point...and it is a pity we didn't see more in to gleesons character and background



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,647 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Enjoyed this, was hoping though that Padraic was going to learn the bodhran or something like that to have an excuse to sit in at his mates session. :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's certainly more of a comic tone to Banshees than there is in Three Billboards, that's for sure. But in any case, I think, to a lot of people, McDonagh has a peculiar idea of what constitutes comedy, although everyone's idea of what's funny is going to be deeply personal as you say. Out of everything he's done that I've seen, though, the first two thirds of 'In Bruges' remains his funniest effort. I struggled to see any comedy at all in Three Billboards however, although that doesn't mean that it wasn't an enjoyable film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    My reading of it was that Gleeson's character knew he would never produce a truly great piece of music, and he wanted somebody to blame for that. He knew that Padraic wouldn't be able to comply with his ridiculous ultimatum, and so he could forever more blame Padraic for his inevitable inability to play/compose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I thought it was decent enough.

    Watched the killing of a sacred deer the other night with some of same actors, now I thought that was a pile of dung.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    cutting his fingers off didnt stop him from composing.

    i agree that 'Colm' probably wasnt as good as he thought he was, that he could leave a piece of work that would immortalise him long after his death, but personally i think the finger slicing was more to do with Colm realising his own mortality and, with the nagging doubt about his actual talent, the reputation of him as the finger slicing fiddler might actually add to his legacy, more than his passable music. Think Van Gogh or beethoven being deaf etc.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    3 golden globe awards last night, including best actor for Farrell and best movie as a musical / comedy.

    It was nominated for eight awards, the most for any movie in 19 years

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  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I see the Associated Foreign Press decided to heap awards at this last night.

    It's like a secret in joke that I'm not party to, surely someone is going to wake me up, did they not see the same crap on the screen that I saw, has the world gone mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,516 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    As a film I thought it was ok, nothing special but I did love the cinematography and scenery especially when trying to portray it so far back, I didn't see a single thing out of place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Farrell's acceptance speech was good.

    He really does love Gleeson. I can't help but think that Gleeson will get annoyed with Farrell's arse licking in real life and start avoiding him or losing fingers 😂

    Personally found the movie a bit daft but good luck to them on the awards circuit. It can only be good for Irish cinema and tourism.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is the point I was trying to make (hamfistedly)

    This is an objectively well made, well acted, very well shot, well directed movie.

    It is not 'a steaming pile of sh1t' as someone so eloquently put it.

    I was called a snob earlier. One of my favourite films is Real Steel so that probably gets me evicted from the snob booth at elites bar and restaurant.

    I was getting annoyed by the toxic comments on this thread. People who came on here to sh1t on a good film that they didn't like.

    I don't think it's the greatest film ever made. I enjoyed it. My wife watched it again and I didn't rewatch it with her. I'll probably rewatch it again in a few years.

    The reason why I asked if people watched it 'properly' is because the humour is both absurd and subtle. Its not killinaskully, if you're 'multi tasking' you could miss a lot

    And it was a question, not an accusation



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The only awards ceremony I respect less than the Oscars are the Golden Globes; whose methodology and thinking is so bereft of reality, I cringe each year they get media traction. Those years with no Golden Globes; it was great.

    Banshees is "Best Musical or Comedy"? It's a patently ludicrous category in the first instance - not least because IIRC The Martian won in that section fadó. But whatever else this film was, it was scarcely a comedy by genre. Gallows humour inflected throughout the script but not really something as ostensibly comedic as that stupid category merging would imply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    The arty crowd really are strange. A good watch no doubt but out of ten id be giving it 7.

    A lot of bullshit in it but the people who vote in the awards love all of that kind of stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I loved it. I watched it a couple of weeks ago and I still find myself thinking about it the odd time. As a character piece it was totally engaging and the setting looked absolutely stunning.

    It has been talked to death but I loved seeing how the characters saw themselves as opposed to who they were. Colm a man suddenly consumed with legacy and dreams of being remembered as a musician and the other a man who is identifies as an affable, openly happy with his simple repetitive island life. In reality, I see Colm as a man who was just as happy with his life as Padraic until very recently, while Padraic is vehemently against change. Colm resents Padraic for everything he hates about himself, so pushes him away. Padraics world falls apart as the film progresses with every major relationship in his life breaking down.

    I did find it very funny at times, not in an American Oirish way, just very good Irish humour. I don’t know why but my favourite bit was when Padraic called the old woman a nutbag and she repeats it while bursting out laughing!

    There were some brilliantly tense scenes too, the silent cart ride back with Colm and Padraic after he was punched or just the scene where they passed eachother on the road with Padraic continually looking back, I was desperate for him to keep quiet!

    Delighted it’s getting all the plaudits, well deserved in my opinion.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The Golden Globes are the crappiest of awards. But I do hope Colin Farrell goes on to win the Oscar as I think he well deserves it. He had a stellar year with this and the excellent After Yang, and as one critic pointed out (I think it was Guy Lodge) it's a particular relief that he's managed to do some of his very best work in films that aren't standard historical biopics or whatever. After Yang was a muted, subtle performance, but I loved that he got to go big and funny here while still conveying plenty of dramatic pathos.

    P.S. the film is absolutely a comedy 🤓



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,545 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    No but maybe you should learn that not everybody watches and judges a film the same way you do.

    Banshees deserves all the praise and awards it recieves. For me it was my favourite film of 2022 but that's my personal opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Good or bad, the fawning over this film by RTE would sicken you.

    Oh look, foreign people like something Irish. HEADLINE NEWS!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    I predict that Colin Farrell will NOT win the Oscar. They love biopics and musicals, and Elvis is probably the biggest music star ever in US. The Elvis fella will win it.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    good to see typical old irish begrudgery is alive and well in 2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Like any piece of art, I don't really think you can say that the film is 'objectively' anything. It's massively subjective.

    The fact that opinions on this film range from 'best Irish film in years' to 'steaming pile of dung' highlights that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I'm sure McDonagh and people apparently more intelligent than me will see this film as some sort of grand artistic statement, or some sort of metaphor for the the modern world, but I found the film absolutely horrible to watch. Good cinematography, lovely panoramic shots of rural Ireland. Decent acting. But one of the most depressing storylines I think I've ever seen in a film. I respect people's views and fair play to anyone that enjoyed it, but for me, there's enough depressing stuff going on in the world without films like this one. I just don't understand the fawning over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I'd agree. It wasn't my cup of tea but fair play to them. They have been been given recognition and an award in their field.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    and not usually so either.

    For 'In bruges' Farrell also won the Golden Globe for best actor on a musical / comedy, and the movie was nominated for best picture as a musical / comedy. (a movie which deals with much more deeply depressing themes!)

    For three billboards it won 4 golden globes, in cluding best picture, actress, screenplay and supporting actor.... and 7 oscar nominations.

    these accolades havent come out of the blue for mcdonaghs movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,545 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes, Irish films wining major awards happens all the time so therefore should not be covered.

    Now back to usual misery porn of homelessness, housing market and health services.

    How dare anyone show interest in something as unimportant as the arts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    As much as I despise the Golden Globes, nor was especially gone on Banshees in the first place: it's a weirdly determined moment of myopia to ignore how Banshees winning international awards for cinema might be Big News.

    Though I do despair a little that yet again, the Irish Film that does well with US audiences is the one that presents us as a backwards land of Aran Sweaters and tragic emotional repression.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ??


    it presents island life in 1920s ireland as "a backwards land of Aran Sweaters and tragic emotional repression."

    which it pretty much was.

    Ever watch "How the Myth Was Made" (1979) by george stoney about the movie "man of Aran" ? this was filmed in 1979 and was not much different to the living conditions of island life that McDonagh portrays on the 1920s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,545 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    The film is based on a fictional Aran island in 1923 so I think it's also accurate that they would wear Aran jumpers.

    Also, don't think it portrays ireland in a bad way at all as I'd say it's accurate as to what island life was like then.

    It portrays Ireland better than has been done in the likes of Darby O'Gill etc which is more "Oirish".

    In Banshees the characters are articulate, intelligent and have substance behind them. Very different to other hollywood portrayals of Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    If you are overly critical of this film, I guess remember that it is foreigners that find it the most interesting, Ive seen a number of comments along the lines of the visuals being the among the best in European cinema , that would be lost on us because erm we can just open the window

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    It's a fairy accurate description of Ireland back then, which is why this is a great tragicomedy. So bleak but also carries a comical element for it being so incredibly bleak!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I wasn't angling it as a criticism: but by all accounts the films about Ireland that do well internationally (or just with America), especially those films with a more serious tone, are the ones that might emphasise poverty or misery in Ireland. Basically it's either "Faith and begorrah, we're poor", or "Death would be a release, we're poor"

    Again, not a criticism in of itself, more the spotting of a trend. Which is probably why An Cailín Ciúin won't feature in the end - it's not far enough along the Angela's Ashes Scale 😎



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