Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

but to be fair that is not just a uk issue so hard to say this is a brexit issue.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics

Brexit is a slow bleed process. My otherhalf works with a specialist company that has used a British supplier for decades and initially Brexit meant a few shipping delays before settling into the new pattern. However the British supplier recently upped their prices massively, over 20% so the company heads travelled to Germany and have found a proven supplier to switch to for a lot less. Plus no more having to factor in currency volatility.

So there's no sudden "aha, that's Brexit!" moment, it's obstacles followed by doors gently closing.

It's obvious even without a survey. The anti EU crowd are currently running Italy but not a peep out of them for an Itexit.

Orban for all his hot air is terrified of Magxit.

LePen chickened out of Frexit and stepped down to returning to the franc and she has chickened out of that now too.

It's almost like they were just saying it because they thought no one would ever be stupid enough to prove them wrong.

None of them are gonna risk something that has an attrition rate of 1 Prime Minister a year once they get the big seat.

He is the only one of the last 5 PMs who is and was always an open Brexiter.

Johnson only believes in Johnson. Brexit, bendy bananas and railing against his own NIP was all just about him.

Sunak was a true believer.

There was a bigger flaw, which is that even if people of talent, foresight etc were committed to delivering this Brexit, it was still not plausible. It rested on a Daily Mail-type caricature in which the EU is protectionist, isolationist and an unattractive location for investment. This is completely false; the EU is a very open economy, has the largest network of free trade deals the world has ever seen, and with the rest of the world has low tariff barriers - lower than the US does, for example.

Brexit starts with the UK raising substantial barriers to its existing trade. The idea that it can do that and then turn itself into a more open, global, outreaching, enticing location than the EU is simply absurd to anyone with a realistic grasp of what the EU is.

Tell me, does winter typically last more than a year? Because ambulance waiting times have been going up since about January 2021 and it has not been going down. It's almost like, as people has been warning, that it is a slow break down of the NHS and you are now seeing the results. The collapse of the NHS reminds me of the power situation in South Africa. It was a gradual build-up of loadshedding (rolling blackouts of various times) from 2007, but bonuses and corruption kept the energy supplier from upgrading the power plants. So now you have the scenario where you have 10 hours of no power in 24 at the moment.

The NHS is the same. It has been strapped for cash since 2011 when austerity started. Add in cuts to Social Case and it puts pressure on the NHS to keep patients in hospital. Add in GP's being under pressure as more and more are expected of them to take pressure of the hospitals, it means they have less time for patients as well, which as some irony puts pressure on the Hospitals as people have to go to A&E because they cannot get a GP appointment. The slow boiling was absolutely turned up to high by Brexit which caused an even worse labour shortage. See below article for when the trouble started regarding ambulance waiting times.

I cannot link the graphs in the article but all of them point to the same thing. It has been a gradual increase in waiting times/patients in A&E/waiting lists since 2011 but Covid and Brexit put those times into overdrive. Now caveat, Brexit alone is not responsible as others have pointed out we and other EU countries are dealing with their own issues, but Brexit has made it so much worse for the UK. Anyone trying to deny this may as well shout at the sun for rising everyday from the east because it makes about as much sense.

He is a believer in the unregulated economy side of Brexit. The type who wants rid of the EU so the chlorinated chickens and untested drugs his buddies invest in can get to the UK.

The kind who thinks the EU holds the UK back from becoming a second USA.

For some it's a haven of low tax, lax employment laws and fek all regulation.