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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The structure of sentences and spelling mistakes are fine, we all do it.

    It's when posters start pretending that their obvious ignorance of the topics at hand is actually down to typos that what you're saying begins to lose credibility.

    This comes back to North Korea not being a communist country because people don't feel that it is, or that it isn't living up to the standards Karl Marx would have wanted it as a communist country and whatever other nonsense people feel like spewing.

    North Korea is a communist country and it is a dangerous regime that serves as a reminder that the central conceit of this thread is incorrect. That isn't to say that all the danger in the world comes from the left it just acts as a reminder that there are insane people on either end of the political spectrum and not just the right.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    See how easy it is to make a typo?

    Almost as easy as it is to misinterpreting the meaning of someone's post. 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Posts are open to interpretation, that's why it's a good idea to make qualifying statements to mitigate against perceived misinterpretation.

    We'll spare ourselves the issue of typos and what constitutes an honest typographical error and what gives a different impression altogether.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's when posters start pretending that their obvious ignorance of the topics at hand is actually down to typos that what you're saying begins to lose credibility.

    Now you're just being a jerk.

    This comes back to North Korea not being a communist country because people don't feel that it is, or that it isn't living up to the standards Karl Marx would have wanted it as a communist country and whatever other nonsense people feel like spewing.

    According to Marxist writing, North Korea fails at being a Communist country just as must as it fails at being a democratic one. It has, and probably never will, reach any kind of Communism because of how it's structured. A family dynasty running a country is not Communism, as laid down by Marx (you know...one of the guys who wrote the Communist Manifesto). No power resides in the hands of the people of North Korea, so on that basis alone it's a failure in that regard. The proletariat has no say in political matters, which goes against the very fundamental basis of Communism. Likewise, North Korea's focus on race eliminates it from the sphere of Communism, as Communism is supposed to be free of such constraints.

    But rather than Marxism or European Communism, North Korea's base political machinations were derived from Japanese exceptionalism due to the fact that they were influenced by it for much of the first half of the 20th Century. When the Japanese were kicked out in 1945, the Russians propped up Kim Il Sung and the rest is history.

    The thing is, if you apply what Marx wrote to any of these self proclaimed "Communist" countries, they fail miserably. Marx wouldn't have looked upon any of the countries we call "Communist" as such, no matter what they claim. At best, they reach a kind of Socialism, albeit under a dictatorial regime - itself an anti-Marxist form of power, when it doesn't belong in the hands of the people.

    This has nothing to do with how somebody "feels" about a country either. It's about the ability to see beyond the propaganda of a political system and view what they actually are. Juche may claim all sorts derivations from Marxist-Leninist theory, but the practices of the DPRK show a very different reality from anything that Marx would have approved of.

    At the end of the day, calling North Korea "Communist" simply ignores a whole host of problems regarding what the country does in reality. It's about as legitimate as considering the country the "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea. And in fact, references to Communism have all but disappeared from the country since the 90's. So they don't even rattle that noise themselves any more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    True, writing is open to the reader's interpretation and/or misinterpretation. But when the writer has corrected your misinterpretation and you still insist upon it, then that's on you.

    Into the bargain, I don't care what you consider to be an "honest" typographical error.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Communism as described in the communist manifesto is the only true form of communism then?

    A fair number of communist nations made it their business to concern themselves with race and ethnicity. The Russian solution to their distaste for Jews was initially pogroms and then they're solution was send them as far away as possible (Oblast).

    Then we have the Gulags, don't agree with the state? Go to the gulag. Do anything the state doesn't like at all, go to the gulag.

    The most hard line communist regime in history the Khmer Rouge massacred people indiscriminately based on social status and or race, if you wore glasses you were likely to have your head caved in with a hatchet.

    Should I list every communist regime that rained misery down on its people or do we get the picture?

    You seem to have a idealistic notion of the virtues of communism and explain away the misdeeds of communist regimes by claiming they're unworthy of the name communist because Marx and Engels would not see their regimes as a pure representation of the communist manifesto.

    North Korea is as pure a reflection of just how crap an ideology communism really is and how it can be interpretated in many ways and always to the detriment of the people living under it's variously interpretated doctrine.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You don't care to such an extent that you're unable to stop talking about it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No state has ever achieved Communism. At best, they've reached a form of Socialism, which has many forms. Communism is the end stage of the Socialist journey, according to Marx - the guy who, along with Engels, came up with the concept. China never achieved it, the USSR never achieved it (Keushcev was still promising it some time in the 80's in a speech during the 1950's), Vietnam never achieved it, Cambodia never achieved it and neither did North Korea.

    As I've said, I'd argue that Communism is impossible to achieve, because there's too much standing in the way of it from a practical nature. And certainly it's impossible when applied to vast nations such as Russia. On an extremely small scale, it might be a possibility. But not when it comes to large land masses.

    Communism is the elimination of all private ownership, elimination of class and money and political power derived from the people. None of the so called Communist states has ever even come close to such a reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It describes how damaging and futile left wing ideology is. Just like extreme right wing ideology.

    All we can do is accept communism as it exists in the world as it does and has done and will continue to do.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Radical left societies always end up as Totalitarian, down to the psychological profile of the people attracted to such ideologies and it's the only way that they can keep the contradictions and savagery of the system from imploding.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Societies end up as totalitarian because of the dictators that seize power. There's nothing inherently "totalitarian" about leftist thinking, "radical" or otherwise. But that doesn't eliminate the possibility of a nefarious power using leftist ideals to take and hold control of a given country. Likewise right wing belief can lead to a totalitarian state too.

    Germany ended up under a right wing totalitarian power. Italy too. When power is taken by people who refuse to relinquish it by the will of the people, that transcends any left/right dynamic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Trump Bolsonaro Justin Barrett Andrew Tate ..the entire tory party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Last week on here, we had people trying their best to ignore the message in the OP of how the dangers most of us experience or face today originate out of practices or governance that are heavily supportive of right wing ideals.

    Here is another example of exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that OP. In the US, in particular but not exclusively, right wing viewpoints were massively dismissive of the medical science when it came to Covid and many prominent commentators and politicians were vehemently against widespread mitigation efforts and vaccine rollout.

    This is now what the data shows.

    So while Fox viewers were being instructed to get outraged about CRT or whatever it was, and actively being told to avoid wearing masks and so on, they were catching the disease and dying from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And over the weekend, this is what Fox was focused on.

    More inconsequential BS from the people who talk about liberals being snowflakes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    In the UK, the short lived chancellor, Nadhim Zahawi who almost collapsed the British economy with a massively ill advised tax give away emergency budget last September recently paid outstanding tax he owed to revenue of several millions.

    This after he threatened the journalist who was reporting that he did owe such money.

    The UK right wing media establishment is promoting the jailing of peaceful protestors calling for protecting the environment and ignoring embezzlement and fraud being carried out by government ministers and their friends who have purchased favorable access to them.

    Borris Johnson used a government credit card to pay for a family and friends dinner in New York for £4,400 around the time the UK government was cutting programs to provide meals to school children.

    People have to stop getting outraged at the things Rupert Murdoch and GBNews and Pierce Morgan tell them they should.be getting outraged about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    In the UK, the short lived chancellor, Nadhim Zahawi who almost collapsed the British economy with a massively ill advised tax give away emergency budget last September recently paid outstanding tax he owed to revenue of several millions.

    It wasn't Nadhim Zahawi, it was Kwasi Kwarteng.

    Reminds me of this:




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Tell me how has often had a difficult time telling one person of colour from another. Taking the time to look at a person than just their skin is not a bad habit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I thought it was only right-wingers that thought all people of colour look the same 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's what you took from that?

    MP going after journalist for reporting he owed millions and you think me mixing him up with Kwarteng (both were chancellors for short periods last autumn) is the issue?

    You don't see any issue with a story like this being scarcely mentioned on BBC or Sky News either no?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Just heard Gino Kenny TD on RTE Morning Ireland talking about the death threats he's had in the last week.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Hilarious.

    This thread is a nonsense to begin with, the OP should set up a blog if they don't want a conversation where differing opinions are expressed.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how



    I'm literally putting posts on here and asking for commentary and you take that as me not wanting different opinions?

    You've been here from the start and have yet to touch the main argument. Instead all you are doing is trying to deflect and get me to stop shining a light on the impact of right wing focus and outcomes.

    Here's another example for you of what right wing claim to be concerned about when it comes to targeting marginalized groups such as trans people (as we saw here recently) and yet this is right within their midst


    Or what's your take on my previous post how right wing media undermined covid protections so much even while right wing people died at much higher rates than left wing?

    Or is all you can do is to say the thread is a joke and I shouldn't have started it, or continue to post in it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    It was Zahawi who paid the multi-million-pound settlement to the tax authorities. For no reason, of course. He definitely wasn't deliberately avoiding tax. Oh no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    Our students here in the West have are getting a whitewashed version of it in our school systems. This is why they have such a love affair with it despite its' record of failure and the high body counts that inevitably follows it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Now rando members of the public are your examples?

    Do you remember that story 2 weeks ago about the American man who has stalked a girl from County Clare for 20 years?

    He had 'F-ck Trump' and 'No Russians' on his Twitter page.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Cordell



    No state has ever achieved Communism.

    Because it's not achievable, on account of being an unrealistic utopia.

    Communism is the elimination of all private ownership, elimination of class and money and political power derived from the people. None of the so called Communist states has ever even come close to such a reality.

    No, that is socialism. Communism is what follows after the above was implemented, and the only way that can be implemented is by force, no one will be willingly give up their wealth (even when wealth means 2 cows and an acre of land).

    Both socialism and communism can only "work" as autocratic totalitarian and violent regimes. And by work I mean being maintained for a significant period of time, not actually work as them being good places to live.

    There's nothing inherently "totalitarian" about leftist thinking, "radical" or otherwise

    Radical left just like radical right is inherently totalitarian. We can talk theory here but actual history teach us that both radical left and radical right regimes were always violent and totalitarian, with no exception.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,387 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    So what. Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Hence why I asked Tell Me How 'Now rando members of the public are your examples?' before throwing a counter-example at him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Any commentary you disagree with is shouted down immediately.

    Let's break down the thread title to begin with;

    1. You've been looking in the wrong direction... Really? What direction have we been looking in exactly? Is the world in general unaware of the existence of far right extremist groups and likely to be blindsided by them? Oh hang on, the far right is literally blamed for everything in western media all the time so whatever direction you contend people have been looking in they'd need to have their eyes closed to not see hysteria about the far right.
    2. The dangers are coming from the right... This is the cherry on top of the nonsense cake. There are demonstrably dangers coming from the right and the left. Whenever the dangers coming from the left are outlined they're shooed away and we're told they're actually caused by the right or that the far left regimes in question are actually far right regimes because, feelings.

    You see my pointing out the dangers posed by the far left as an endorsement of the far right. As if anything that deviates from your opinion is inherently right wing.

    In the end there are dangers aplenty in the world some are coming from the right some are coming from the left.

    You are contending that only the dangers posed by the right are problematic and that without your assistance nobody would even be looking in the correct direction to be able to detect them.

    Like I said, pure nonsense.

    Glazers Out!



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