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When is UEFA going to stop idly standing around and send in its tanks?

WTO has plenty of tanks also, send them in!!!

Spineless WTO 🤣

/s

The problem is that in the EU there is not capacity to quickly replace all those tanks should a large % of them go to Ukraine.

As of last year there were ~2 Leopard 2A7s made per month - obviously this is a function of demand too, but just how rapidly production can be scaled up is unknown. Its not nearly as simple as EU states have X tanks, that means all X tanks are available to give to Ukraine.

Even the Marders Germany is to supply are coming out from the Bundeswehr's own operational stocks, rather than older warehoused/decomissioned stock. Mostly due to German incompetence and short sightedness (where have we seen that before?).

Maybe they thought that spending a million salaries on armaments they did need was more productive than spending a million salaries on people they didn't need?

The Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut and Soldar are remarking, if not complaining, that one reason it's so difficult is that they don't have sufficient equipment or ammo. To get around to do their jobs they are mostly reliant on clapped out donated cars - not protected troop carriers or specialist military vehicles - just normal cars.

The western media seems to be generating this massive smokescreen of positivity, exaggerating every donation of bits and bobs to convey an overall impression the world is standing behind Ukraine, deluging it with donated stuff that they need. They have also apparently been double counting some announcements and so obviously inflating the overall impression. There are lots of articles about donations of money, but they too are a bit illusory as they seem to be promises of future funding.

Unfortunately this overall impression seems false in reality. I saw a woman at a relief centre being interviewed after a few days of the first major infrastructure and civilian missile strikes, I forget where it was exactly, but not Kyiv, just a town to the SW. She said something along the lines of 'we have 100 blankets and 1000 people at the door needing blankets - what do we do, how do we decide?'

The only thing Ukraine is even remotely getting enough of is media coverage; actual practical assistance, from humanitarian to military, seems way, way less than what's needed and far less than the media coverage would lead people to assume is being provided.

Guess who done an unveiling of a new lynx IVF in Hungary

And if a war brakes out they will automatically return themselves to Germany without a crew

Are you confusing a Swiss company, which incidentally is owned by a Swedish company, with the country within it is headquartered. Somebody fucked up somewhere that is clear but I don't see the link with Swiss neutrality. If the Swiss confederation believes that a rule has been broken, the company will be disciplined accordingly. They take their rules very seriously.

When this war is over, many things in the World will be different. I imagine that the Swiss will adapt to the new situation and new contacts will differ from the ones currently written. I'd be very surprised if what you state above will come to pass...except hopefully for the Russian one but even there I'd be surprised unfortunately.

EDIT: I haven't had the time to properly read the articles you posted yet but I will. Thanks for the links

Overall there's about 5000 tanks in total across Europe,but not all of them are MBTs there's other variants of tanks that don't come with the main gun , support vehicles and recovery, bridge laying.

Some of them have already been supplied - much of it by Germany which this thread seems to have an unhealthy dislike for.

MBT are what Ukraine is asking for.

A good investment if it pays off, but has the potential to leave many countries' militaries in a bad spot. EU countries were already considered to be militarily weak/overly reliant on US/NATO (with some exceptions). To give away a large amount of their MBTs could seriously exacerbate this.

It all depends on how many they can replace in a timely fashion.

But the important thing is they are Nato members so we have collective security, nobody is going to threaten eu or nato members, Russia hasn't made a lot of headway after 320 + days in Ukraine

Just to balance the numerous comments on how slow Germany has been to send main battle tanks, I think it is worth giving a link to an article showing what they have already sent is being put to good use:

On a slightly funny side note did anyone read the hate speech thread on feedback,

Demands were made to investigate the aboreant hate speech and racism and xenophobia that was all over this thread.....

It was quite funny reading it

Fecks sake missed that 😭

Thingy with a gun on it but it's not a tank