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"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

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  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    It isn't different enough to warrant a new greek letter as its terminology so it's important to always qualify discussion about it being highly transmissable; still Omicron and not more deadly.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,179 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Scare Byrne really let herself down during the Covid crisis. The show became unwatchable and she lost all her journalist credibility.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,972 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Interesting train of thought by the Canadian who came up with the 'name'.

    "New variants rising to prominence need memorable names that convey to the public the evolving threat of Omicron, he argues, instead of just a string of numbers and letters."

    Can't be having people thinking it's still substantially the same Omicron. We need frightening new names ,but not to scary people, oh no, just to keep them informed.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Bear in mind, there was no talk of variants until the vaccines were announced in November 2020.



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    WHO saying it is no more harmful so basically everyone can just act as they have been doing for the last twelve months when restrictions ended when Omicron became dominant as the situation has not changed. Hopefully this puts the new hype to bed.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Yep. Cases and hospitals reducing in the north east USA already.

    Speaking of hospitalisations,down to 507 in hospitals with Covid this morning. Approx 100 drop in the last couple of days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,618 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There was already 4000+ sub-lineages of SARS-COV2 researched before vaccines were announced. They clearly matter more post vaccine due to immune escape being possible (hasn't happened substantially yet) but a variant like Delta early in the pandemic would have meant even tighter lockdowns worldwide.

    Luckily the vaccines can be updated relatively quickly, they still provide reducing infectivity levels and are highly effective in preventing severe COVID.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,074 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There's more in hospital on trolleys now than there are with COVID... The smart people were lying on a trolley saying they thought they had COVID to get a bed

    The WHO aren't concerned about this new variant anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I know there was a ball of variants before Nov 2020...there was no mention of them however. Alpha was the first, in Nov 2020, the month the vaccines were announced. I don't even know if it is pertinent, but it shouldn't be forgotten either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    See, this is where I find it incredulous that health experts didn't think this was going to happen.

    Now, in the absence of data I am only speculating.

    I'm convinced our bed occupancy rate for 2020 was lower than any year previous (despite the hysterics in the media)...we have 11,000 beds in the system. We know we suffer from spill over during the winter months.

    But in 2020, I'd say the occupancy rate during the May-Oct 2020 period was well below average. Irish people didn't get healthy all of a sudden. So that was always going to catch up with the health system. If an ordinary punter could see that coming, you'd wonder how the State didn't see it coming.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭walus


    Someone back at the end of 2020 posted a spreadsheet print screen showing that the occupancy rates were on average 15-20% down that year.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'd have guessed it was higher than 20% but it'd only be a guess.

    But even still, that 15-20% drop in bed numbers (which has probably never happened before) was always going to accumulate, added to how many people lived in a very unhealthy fashion during those very strange times, as well the fact we effectively grew our waiting lists from 500,000 to 900,000 (approx) in the same period.

    Like I said, an ordinary punter could see the excess deaths, the increased demand on the health system coming, a lot of posters were castigated on here for predicting it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭live4tkd




  • Registered Users Posts: 30,506 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    To answer the OP I think most people have gotten back to normal now.

    People we're scared in March 2020 due to the news and the Government's reaction.

    As the weeks went on tough it became more difficult for people there was a real tense vibe in lots of households.

    The government reopened the country and people kicked up about young people standing near one another queueing for a nightclub. What did these people think these people were going to do inside or there general attention was for the night.

    Then along came the masks. I found lots of people didn't have much interest in these. They were pulled out of pockets/car doors and thrown on. You'd have ones lecturing people about masks and there own was dirty and ill-fitting.

    Remember we nearly had invite granny over for Christmas but leave her in a room with the windows open.

    Then the vaccine and people thought it was going to be end of it.

    The fear in some elderly people didnt go away They were going to the shops/socialising in March 2020 to end up being housebound and not coming out anymore now.

    However most people wanted to go back to Ireland 2019. Older people wanted to back with the Grandkids and going to the shops, activities, holidays,etc. Families wanted there old lives with holidays, outings, kids socialising, etc. Younger people wanted to go back to clubs, hooking up etc.(Just generalising but you know what I mean.)

    Lockdowns suited people who were all loved up at home and never went anywhere or those who didn't socialise in the first place basically because it didn't effect there lifestyle.

    Covid also allowed certain people gain a following on social media also and they liked the attrition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,618 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They were mentioned extensively, they were referred to by place names. Alpha/Beta etc. only became named that way after the "Indian variant" appeared (Delta) due to a) the stigma of naming them after a location and b) the variant often didn't originate in that location when it was traced through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    They were mentioned extensively? Right then, did we get the Wuhan Strain or the Italian strain does anyone remember?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,618 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    California, Kent, Indian Variants were all big news (Kent was very winter 2020). Wuhan/Italian strain was the original* (the loony wing called it things like kung flu if you remember).

    This was on the TV, there were papers written about the strains, it was extensively researched because it was important for the vaccine development (i.e. finding out about the mutagenicity of the spike protein and which specific proteins varied).

    *there are always small variations

    I think your "point" was that the vaccines somehow caused the variants (scariants?), which they unequivocally didn't, do say otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Yes, I do enjoy the 'just move on' narrative from the lads who cheered on every Covid restriction the NPHET proposed. Never mind the fact that we've added €50bn to the national debt over the 2 years - not exactly easy to move on from. We're going to have that as a drag on our kids standard of living for decades to come.


    There should be a tribunal set up to investigate every decision made during Covid and lessons should be learned. First question could be why every pervious pandemic response plan was jettisoned in favor of copying what a totalitarian state on the other side of the world were doing - then we could proceed from there. Look at every bit of Covid-theatre and what the cost-benefits of them were.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    No that's not my point at all.

    My point is that variants, of which there were many at that point, only became a kind of focal point of reports around Nov 2020, Alpha (the first of the variants to be given it's own name, outside of it's suspected area of origin)...why aren't there 4000 variants (or whatever) now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,214 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Wow, how humans have behaved for thousands of years, and behaviours which society is basically built upon (socializing, communicating, seeing faces, coexisting with viruses etc) didn't change over the course of a few winters. Shocking stuff.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Wasn't it the delta variant that caused yet another over reaction from the government / NPHET / media alliance?

    They delayed reopenings IIRC. There were so many over reactions now I can't remember.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    There's never been a variant that hasn't provoked an over reaction, even Omnicron spawned an hysterical reaction from Ministers in Nov 2021...despite the South African doctor who identified it repeatedly stated how mild it was..."increased transmission rate"...how many times have we heard that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    DUBLIN, June 29 (Reuters) - Ireland said on Tuesday it will restrict indoor drinking and eating in bars and restaurants to those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 or who have previously been infected by it due to concerns about the Delta variant.


    Yup - even though, according to Leo, the vast majority would only suffer mild symptoms indoor hospitality was restricted to mainly the vulnerable and elderly categories who would have been largely vaccinated by then anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Wasn't one of those restrictions that there was to be no music in pubs?

    Or sound on the tv....

    It's shaping up to be more like the madness of the Summer of 85, the year of the moving statues!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Ironically it was the increased transmission rates that finally saved us from the madness. So many people contracted it, that it was impossible for NPHET and the media to maintain the ''deadly-pandemic' narrative.

    We'd still be fcuking around with Covid-theatre nonsense now if Omnicrom hadn't come along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Ya, there is merit in your point, we were one of the most vaccinated countries in the world in Nov 2021, and we were still restricted. Omnicron is the element that I believe freed us from the madness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Without vaccines we'd have ended up like Hong Kong. Which showed what happened when Omicron hit an unvaccinated large cohort of vulnerable people. The vaccines were essential in averting that fate and reducing the cases of severe covid generated. The evidence showing the benefits of vaccination in reducing severe covid cases is well established. You accept this evidence?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'm genuinely sorry, I have told you before I won't engage with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's a covid thread and you won't engage with a question about vaccines. For obvious reasons in that you deny that they are vaccines and refuse to accept the overwhelming scientific evidence about their benefit e.g. with regard to severe covid.

    It's relevant to point this out as it entirely discredits the revisionism you are attempting here, and it is impossible to constructively engage with the thread if other posters cannot bring this up.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I have never run away from any argument on here on any topic, you are the first person I have had to disengage with, you stated Covid is worse than Cancer, we all know your argument, it is a ridiculous one....and you consistently accuse others of posting falsehoods!!!! I can't spend time going to and fro with someone who actually takes a position like that.

    We all know what released us from restrictions in this country, it was the mildness of Omnicron....you could argue vaccines helped, that is a position anyone could take...but it was the mildness of Omnicron that ended the restrictions here.



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