Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

You're directly and indirectly claiming that the US and USSR faked their space programs. Along with the Japanese, and Europeans and Chinese and everyone. Private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin. GPS systems and international commercial satellites. Not just that but you are claiming there is a vast cover-up and conspiracy going on for decades involving astronomical numbers of people, scientists, engineers, experts. That the international space station is not actually in space, that it's all shot underwater. That every space launch is trickery or CGI. That all photos from space are faked. On top of all that, you're claiming the related study of physics, orbital mechanisms, jet propulsion, large tracts of science is either wrong or part of the conspiracy. That schools all over the world that teach these are wrong, that universities have it all "wrong". That Newton was wrong, that essentially all human knowledge on the subject is wrong.

Or

You can't grasp some school science

Even you should be able to see why people are leaning towards the second one.

have you ever even seen a rocket of any kind, sure air to light to provide enough resistance to make a rocket move at that speed

I stumbled across a few videos online, I think some individuals believe that rockets work by pushing against the ground or air. This is why they refuse to accept that rockets work in the vacuum of space.

Even when there are experiments which demonstrate rockets working in vacuums, these individuals claim that the rocket is "pushing" against the piece of glass or whatever at the end of the vacuum chamber.

Passenger jet planes, we’ve all travelled in them, they get pretty high.

Turbofan jet engines expel gases at speed to provide thrust, sounds similar to rockets.

Why do passenger jet planes travel so high? The air is considerably thinner that high up so according to Markus’ theory they would be far less efficient. Why expend all that energy getting so high in order to work in a less efficient environment?

I have 3 theories on why (following Markus’ line of thought here so near with me)

1; They do it to provide credence to the space travel hoax somehow

2; The windows in the planes are actually tv screens, we don’t actually go anywhere (haven’t figured out how they change the airport yet though)

3; I’m a shill (and so if everybody else who claims to have been on a jet plane).

Of course the debunkers will just say that planes fly high because (just like rockets), they work better in a low atmosphere environment.

Do you really think the USSR, who had the greatest mathematicians in the world would let the US beat them in a space race? The only thing the US beat them at was how far they defrauded their own citizens.

Why didn't Russia land a man on Mars since? Wouldn't this give them the bragging rights in space if it's all about prestige as you say?

They didn't, because the US never went to the moon. The footage is laughably fake and the only thing propping it up is your gullibility. It's remarkable when you think about it. In order to believe the moonlandings, you are openly accepting that space travel is the only technological field in history which has regressed in the last 50 years rather than advance 😂

Why didn’t the USSR fake them first for the win? Or when the US faked the moon landings why didn’t the USSR fake going to mars? Or the sun?

But did we put them there?

Same as we saw with dissident, it all comes back to "proof" that there is an almighty god actually controlling everything and only a few people know the real truth about it and all evidence to the contrary is a test of their faith.

Most don't openly admit this, but let it slip in here and there.

But space flight hasn't regressed. No one arguing this or "accepting" this.

We used to have a super sonic jetliner, but now we don't. Yet it would be wrong and ridiculous to suggest that aviation has regressed because of this.

Also if the Russia mathematicians were so unbeatable, then they would have figured out that space travel was impossible and figured out that the Americans were faking it.

So it seems you are arguing that you are somehow smarter or more well informed than the greatest mathematicians.

This is a big plot hole in the conspiracy that is never really explained.

Most moon hoax believers only contend that soon or all of the Apollo missions are faked. They were faked to win the space race and after that there was no need to fake anything else.

With the flat earthers however, it's a different issue.

If they are already faking space missions then there's no reason for them not to fake more manned landings.

It can't be because doing so is too expensive. Markus is claiming that they are already spending trillions to fake space missions that the vast majority of people don't care about as well as paying off all scientists and science youtubers. And on top of that they are somehow is making a profit from it.

It can't be that it's too difficult because we've been told that they were able to fool the greatest mathematicians on Earth at the time using only 60s technology. So unless it's going to be argued that the technology to fake the landings has somehow regressed since the 60s it is now much easier to fake landings. We are also told that all space images and videos released are completely fake so they would not have any issue faking new images from the moon or Mars.

And it can't be that they are afraid of exposing the theory. They are pumping out faked missions every year to a public that isn't paying any attention. According to theorists these are already chock full of obvious mistakes and errors that prove they are fake even to people with no knowledge or training in science. So the conspirators clearly cannot be afraid of exposure due to attention or errors.

Like with all aspects of this theory, if you actually stop and think about it with any depth or look into the "nitty gritty" for more than a second, it falls apart.

Excellent explanation here.

TLDW: It would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.

dont worry, if you dont like that theory they will have a new one tomorrow.

There's certain things in the videos that are impossible to fake.

For instance when you see the lunar rovers driving around you can see the dust being kicked up by the wheels doesn't behave like dust on Earth. It flies in parabolic arcs rather in big clouds because there is no air for it to do so.

The only way to fake that would to put the whole sound stage the were on into a vacuum chamber and keep it at a near perfect vacuum for the lenght of the shot.

Then eve if you did make the largest most perfect vacuum chamber in history it still wouldn't work because you can see the dust is falling as if it was in lesser gravity.

The only way to fake this would be to put that massive vacuum chamber in a plane and fly parabolic arcs like the vomit comet. (Though since we are seeing that physics is being rewritten on this thread, there's no guarantee that this would even work.)

The only other option would be to use cgi to simulate the millions and millions of dust particles, which isn't possible either because we are being told that they only had the computing power equivalent to pocket calculators.

And even then assuming that they over came this by building a giant flying vacuum chamber or inventing hyperadvanced computer graphics decades ahead of everyone else, they're doing so to fabricate the dust flying off the wheels of the rover. Why would they go to all of that effort and expense to fake since a minor thing.

Why would they do so, but then in other aspects be completely lazy and incompetent and leave obvious clues, like the claim the flags are bowing in the wind.

Hold on a second. They're not liars but extremely robust with the truth.

That was done by the bloke that Buzz Aldrin punched.

No it doesn't have any old debunked stuff in it. And yes that is the man who was punched by Buzz Aldrin and also had another astronauts son conspire to have him assassinated by the CIA.

None of them would swear on the bible by the way which is very telling. Very telling given some of them are very religious, namely Armstrong himself.

No evidence Armstrong was religious (below). No one goes around getting people to swear on Bibles, that's really crossing into strange territory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-armstrong-bible-idUSL1N2RG249

If you want to believe man didn't land on the moon in 1969, okay, but you are also maintaining all the other moon landings, and all space flight is faked, and all human knowledge on space travel is fake. That's a big one.

How do you, for example, rationalise the below 50 mins of International Space Station footage to yourself. You claim it's shot underwater, but how is he speaking? why aren't his clothes wet? Etc

Based on your track record, I believe you.

its only 5 pages long so far, i'd say even a 10 year old could manage to read that much

there are even videos for those that can't read