New Citroen C5X. Thoughts?

AMKC · 12-04-2021 12:21pm #1

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2021-citroen-c5x-revealed-luxury-range-topper

I think it looks very classy and very stylish.

If Citroen price this right, advertise it lots and market it right it could be a huge hit for them hopefully as it deserves to be.

colm_mcm · 12-04-2021 12:52pm

ba_barabus · 12-04-2021 12:55pm

AMKC wrote: »

I think it looks very classy and very stylish.

I think it looks like it's been kicked in the arse and it hurt

I really don't like the GS inspired front end

bazz26 · 12-04-2021 12:58pm

Another oddball Citroen that nobody will buy here.

For Forks Sake · 12-04-2021 1:36pm

Large. French. Weird. Expensive

I don't dislike it, but it's salesproof.

The French ambassador over here will be the only person in Ireland to sit in one.

AMKC · 12-04-2021 3:52pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Put they are. Who in there right mind would buy a Passat over this?

ba_barabus · 12-04-2021 3:54pm

Dark images, dark colours, lots of shading and shadows and photos from a distance. It's almost like Citroen know something but want to hide it.

Lewis_Benson · 12-04-2021 4:00pm

Does she come in a TDI boss?

AMKC · 12-04-2021 4:54pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Does she come in a TDI boss?

No that's old school technology.

They have not listed all the engines yet but it looks to be just petrol and PHEV only so far.

Lewis_Benson · 12-04-2021 5:14pm

AMKC wrote: »

No that's old school technology.

They have not listed all the engines yet but it looks to be just petrol and PHEV only so far.

Won't sell to the typical citroen driver in ireland.

AMKC · 12-04-2021 5:47pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Won't sell to the typical citroen driver in ireland.

Why because there is no diesel?

Maybe there will be only Citroen knows

Guy:Incognito · 12-04-2021 5:54pm

Is this a return to proper hydropneumatic suspension? If so, I'm in.

Not sure if autocar saying "hydraulic cushion suspension" is the usual not calling it the right thing or its what Citroen are calling it and it's just some spring set up with a fluid filled top mount or something.

Saying Citroen are "trying to replicate the magic carpet ride " doesn't inspire confidence that it's the real thing.

jimmycrackcorm · 12-04-2021 5:59pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is this a return to proper hydropneumatic suspension? If so, I'm in.

Do you mean a return to incredibly expensive repairs?
This car is sure to have the highest depreciation in its segment.

Guy:Incognito · 12-04-2021 7:44pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Do you mean a return to incredibly expensive repairs?
This car is sure to have the highest depreciation in its segment.

I never found it expensive at all.

Its a fairly simple system of a reservoir and a pump. In the length of time most own their cars I'd say if they'd to replace a couple of spheres that's about it.

I looked after my own though so it only cost me the price of any parts I changed. Any decent Citroen mechanic would have things changed for no more expensive , time wise, than a sprung car.

mailforkev · 12-04-2021 8:06pm

Why is the rear reg plate not centred, it’s all I can see.

colm_mcm · 12-04-2021 8:08pm

mailforkev wrote: »

Why is the rear reg plate not centred, it’s all I can see.

Don’t look at the rear camera!

GeneHunt · 12-04-2021 10:57pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Don’t look at the rear camera!

It's not the camera!
If it does come to Ireland, lets hope our boy can put it in the centre!

colm_mcm · 13-04-2021 12:10am

What is it then?

Whatever it is, they seem to have eyeballed the number plate off it.

road_high · 13-04-2021 12:21am

Really like the new Citroen range like the C3, C5 Cross but I can't see where the sales would be for this given where the market is (SUV Crossovers).

DaveyDave · 13-04-2021 1:46am

That rear end is awful. Would look better if the pillars flared out into the body. Looks a bit bulbous.

ba_barabus · 13-04-2021 7:57am

colm_mcm wrote: »

What is it then?

Whatever it is, they seem to have eyeballed the number plate off it.

The "Citroen" badge appears off centre too with the chevrons

colm_mcm · 13-04-2021 8:14am

I think it’s more that the letter I is narrower, they’ve spaced the letters evenly from their edges - so the R isn’t in the middle. Looks sloppy.

Also funny that the name is so similar to the Mazda CX-5

loyatemu · 13-04-2021 9:02am

looking at my Picasso out the window, the "Citroën" lettering is much more compressed and it looks better IMO (though just the chevrons without the name would be better still).

The old C5 and C6 sold poorly, that was before everyone went SUV crazy.

AMKC · 13-04-2021 10:52am

road_high wrote: »

Really like the new Citroen range like the C3, C5 Cross but I can't see where the sales would be for this given where the market is (SUV Crossovers).

This is exactly that an SUV Crossover vehicle.

DaveyDave wrote: »

That rear end is awful. Would look better if the pillars flared out into the body. Looks a bit bulbous.

I think it looks great very funky.

ba_barabus wrote: »

The "Citroen" badge appears off centre too with the chevrons

I think it could just be the light the way it is shining in it. I think it looks grand.

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think it’s more that the letter I is narrower, they’ve spaced the letters evenly from their edges - so the R isn’t in the middle. Looks sloppy.
I think it's just the light and your minds. It looks good to me.

Also funny that the name is so similar to the Mazda CX-5

Not at all. It is the Citroen C5X. How would you mix that up with CX-5? Also no stroke in the Citroen C5X badging. If that was there ok maybe.

GeneHunt · 13-04-2021 10:58am

loyatemu wrote: »

looking at my Picasso out the window, the "Citroën" lettering is much more compressed and it looks better IMO (though just the chevrons without the name would be better still).

The old C5 and C6 sold poorly, that was before everyone went SUV crazy.

It's on the Citroen Ireland (Citroen.ie) today, "The C5 X will go on sale in Ireland in early 2022 in time for the 221 registration period." so I guess it's planned for this market too.

https://www.citroen.ie/about-citroen/news/citroen-unveil-all-new-flagship-c5-x-model.html

I know the C6 didn't sell well, I've only ever seen a few C6's here, I actually saw one (2006) in Ballymount industrial estate late last year, but I thought the C5 did okay, there's still plenty of them around.

colm_mcm · 13-04-2021 11:37am

AMKC wrote: »

This is exactly that an SUV Crossover vehicle.

I think it looks great very funky.

I think it could just be the light the way it is shining in it. I think it looks grand.

Not at all. It is the Citroen C5X. How would you mix that up with CX-5? Also no stroke in the Citroen C5X badging. If that was there ok maybe.

You don’t think that CX-5 and C5X are similar ?

Ok then.

GeneHunt · 13-04-2021 12:50pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

You don’t think that CX-5 and C5X are similar ?

Ok then.

Okay, they are similar....

Fingers crossed no one spots a BMW X5 M and thinks Mazda MX-5

GeneHunt · 13-04-2021 12:54pm

This new C5 X is a big car, comparing it to other Citroens of similar sizes, (see below) wheelbase is a little shorter (29mm) then the last Citroen C5, but it's longer (27mm) than it, which is reflected in the boot capacity.

Cars CITROEN C5 X CITROEN C5 (I) CITROEN C5 (II) CITROEN DS5 CITROEN C6
Long 4,805mm 4,618mm 4,778mm 4,529mm 4,910mm
Width 1,865mm 1,768mm 1,859mm 1,872mm 1,859mm
High 1,485mm 1,478mm 1,458mm 1,504mm 1,461mm
Wheelbase 2,785mm 2,748mm 2,814mm 2,728mm 2,901 mm
Boot 545 L 456 L 439 L 464 L 419 L
Weight TBA 1,352 kg 1,490 kg 1,495 kg 1,791 kg

Even if you compare it to it's sister car, the current Peugeot 508 (II), it's big!

Cars CITROEN C5 X PEUGEOT 508 (I) PEUGEOT 508 (II)
Long 4,805mm 4,831mm 4,750mm
Width 1,865mm 1,920mm 1,847mm
High 1,485mm 1,455mm 1,405mm
Wheelbase 2,785mm 2,817mm 2,794mm
Boot 545 L 473 L 487 L
Weight TBA 1,410 kg 2,001 kg

Data source

Citroen C5 Xhttps://www.autoevolution.com/news/all-new-2022-citroen-c5-x-promises-to-take-you-anywhere-and-in-style-159168.html?utm_source=ae_self&utm_medium=ae_moreon&utm_campaign=ae_moreon_news_static
Citroen C5 (I) https://www.autoevolution.com/citroen/c5-liftback/
Citroen C5 (II)https://www.autoevolution.com/citroen/c5-sedan/
Citroen DS5https://www.autoevolution.com/citroen/ds5/
Citroen C6 Xhttps://www.autoevolution.com/citroen/c6/

PEUGEOT 508 https://www.autoevolution.com/peugeot/508/

alias no.9 · 13-04-2021 1:00pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

Okay, they are similar....

Fingers crossed no one spots a BMW X5 M and thinks Mazda MX-5

BMW have a habit leveraging Mazda monikers, BMW 323i how are you!

Fun fact (or possibly urban legend)... The Porsche 911 was originally intended to be the Porsche 901 but Peugeot intervened and claimed ownership of the X0Y naming convention.

As to the C5 X, I like it but am unlikely to ever own one with the UK import market dead and they'll sell SFA new here. Not having someone else suck up the first 3 years of depreciation would be a deal breaker for me.

colm_mcm · 13-04-2021 1:09pm

Surprised it wasn’t badged as a DS. If they want to condemn it to failure altogether.

road_high · 18-04-2021 12:22am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Surprised it wasn’t badged as a DS. If they want to condemn it to failure altogether.

I thought DS showed promise- French style and sophistication in a car. The DS7 suv even looked an attractive price. But they seemed to not take off (I guess most will say shock horror there, but that is a very attractive car).
There’s so many brands in the new Fiat-PSA group it’s hard to see where it lies- probably money better spent on the Peugeot brand to finally bring it up on a par with VW and make more money that way

GeneHunt · 19-04-2021 11:53am

road_high wrote: »

I thought DS showed promise- French style and sophistication in a car. The DS7 suv even looked an attractive price. But they seemed to not take off (I guess most will say shock horror there, but that is a very attractive car).
There’s so many brands in the new Fiat-PSA group it’s hard to see where it lies- probably money better spent on the Peugeot brand to finally bring it up on a par with VW and make more money that way

The problem with DS here, is there's no real dealers here yet or even a website! DS Automobiles was setup as a standalone brand in 2015. The DS website (www.dsautomobiles.ie) was setup here in mid 2016, but it was a disaster, the configurator would screw up the options as you built a car. We will see how Gowan deals with this over the next few years. Citroen in Airside was really the DS home, but they need to get DS as a brand away from the Citroen brand and what I mean by that is, when you search for DS cars on car websites, the websites are still listing newer DS's as Citroens, this is not just here, but also in the NI and in the UK. DS / Citroen should have educated there dealers to stop referring to the DS branded cars as Citroens. The DS name is also problematic as they have launched a new car last year called the 9, and if you google DS 9 google confuses the search with Deep Space 9 :rolleyes:

GeneHunt · 19-04-2021 11:57am

So the new Citroen C5X has competition in this new segment with the Ford Evos or maybe Ford will call it a Mondeo!

https://www.motor1.com/news/501822/ford-evos-reveal-photos/

ShadowHearth · 19-04-2021 1:33pm

I actually really like it and Citroën lately is the only manufacturer that makes unique looking cars, not just same old style, but with different badge. I am quite a fan of C5 Aircross and when you see it in wild, it really pops out.

The biggest issue will be:

Price, when it comes to Ireland
General public here, who just don't like citroen.

Combine those two and its pretty much dead, before it even arrives to showroom. Buying it new will mean you have to marry it, because after few years it will have no value at all. If you want to buy one second hand for cheaper, you won't be able, because no one bought it in the first place.

All in all, I really like it, but it already failed in Ireland, because people here will go for old reliable Octavia, passat or "insert any kind of cross over".

AMKC · 19-04-2021 2:35pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

So the new Citroen C5X has competition in this new segment with the Ford Evos or maybe Ford will call it a Mondeo!

https://www.motor1.com/news/501822/ford-evos-reveal-photos/

That's quite nice. Does not even look like a Ford although I can't say I like that dash or should it be screen. Not much of a dash. Prefer the inside of the Citroen.

AMKC · 12-01-2023 10:20pm

Seen a Citroen C5-X in the metal today. A big car. Very classy looking.

Hard to know who will buy it do.

Anyone in here look at it or buy one?

hoodie6029 · 13-01-2023 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100596#Comment_120100596

I’ll buy a used one in a couple of years.

AMKC · 13-01-2023 12:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102086#Comment_120102086

Not if there is none sold you won't lol.

I would say if heated seats were standard or even on option Citroen might sell some but as it is that alone might put some people if it. They would make a great taxi do they really are huge.

This will probably be the very last big Citroen. It's strange where Citroen are at the moment with this Huge big classy car and then at the bottom of the Citroen range the Ami. That is probably where Citroen are heading though to making more affordable innovative cars like the Ami and the recent Oli concept.

creedp · 13-01-2023 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102420#Comment_120102420

No problem selling big cars, just stick 20+ inch wheels and some chunky plastic cladding on it and call it an SUV

PsychoPete · 13-01-2023 2:20pm

Was in a Citroën dealer yesterday picked up parts and had a good look at the C5X, they are an absolute monstrosity of a yoke

AMKC · 13-01-2023 3:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102976#Comment_120102976

I think that's harsh.

They are a big car yes but very classy, comfortable and quiet. I have seen one driving on the M4 already so there is at least two of them out there.

hoodie6029 · 13-01-2023 4:39pm

Just seen them online. I like the look of them and I’ve always been anti-crossover. Have to get some parts in Citroen soon so will check it out when I’m in there.

AMKC · 13-01-2023 6:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103791#Comment_120103791

If its too big for you the C4 is there too and the new C4-X is due out soon too. Its a booted version of the C4 which is nice to see. I think Citroen could steel some sales from Renault and others who no longer have a saloon in there range any more.

Henry Ford III · 15-01-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103281#Comment_120103281

Have you actually been in one?

funkey_monkey · 15-01-2023 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116870677#Comment_116870677

Is that not offset because the latch of the boot is centered?

AMKC · 15-01-2023 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111878#Comment_120111878

No but have seen one in the metal and have watched plenty of reviews online on You-Tube etc.

colm_mcm · 15-01-2023 9:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111929#Comment_120111929

It’s just bad design to have such a clumsy massive camera and then also have it offset.

funkey_monkey · 15-01-2023 9:59pm

Looks more like an afterthought than design.

Very disappointing as we've always had Citroens in the family - the BX was a super car. Had a Xantia too - and although it had the hydropneumatic suspension the car overall felt softer than the BX. Next was a Xsara with the steel suspension. It was bland to look at, bland inside and the suspension was akin to a Massey Ferguson.

Supposedly this new suspension setup is meant to be really good, but the car itself just doesn't appeal.

Is the new saloon car coming or what has happened to it?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/citro%C3%ABn-readies-audi-rivalling-premium-saloon-2021

For Forks Sake · 16-01-2023 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113279#Comment_120113279

Did the saloon car not end up as the DS9 ?

https://www.dsautomobiles.co.uk/models/ds9.html

funkey_monkey · 16-01-2023 10:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120114345#Comment_120114345

That's what I thought, but it says:

The saloon will sit on the same EMP2 platform as its sibling models, the Peugeot 508 and new DS 9. Like those models, it will be offered with regular combustion engines and a plug-in hybrid powertrain that can yield more than 39 miles of electric-only range.

GeneHunt · 16-01-2023 11:05am

I can't see Citroen doing another big saloon, the C5 X is it if you ask me. Hadn't Citroen described the C5 X as a cross between a saloon and a SUV? Stellantis is going that way with it's brands at the moment, Peugeot has the 408, and rumour is the next Opel Insignia is going to be C5 X / 408 spinoff too

New Citroen C5X. Thoughts?

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