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Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    this is very entertaining really

    its like the video of the flat earther who fired the was firing the lazer throught the 2 holes to try and prove the earth was flat and when the experiment failed ( or actually worked) he just looked confused and said there was something wrong with the experiment

    some people are so stupid they think they are smart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Why would they do something that some aggressive weirdo making ridiculous claims was demanding they do?


    Why wouldn't they swear in the Bible according to you? You already believe that they've spend decades lying and being part of the biggest hoax in history and are being paid handsomely to do so. They wouldn't have any issue lying while swearing on the Bible.


    Weird that you are bringing up this guy though cause as far as I'm aware not even he contends that all space flight is fake like you do. He claims that the Apollo missions were partly faked by sending unmanned craft towards the moon.

    Why are you citing him when tou believe he is completely wrong and as brainwashed into thinking spaceflight is possible as the rest of us?


    Again I notice that you are falsely complaining that your points are not being addressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They lifted it up (which would adjust it for the earth's curvature) and it "worked" proving the earth was curved, their panic was funny. But it's all either attention seeking, grifting or an attempt to believe a god into existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    This is why conspiracy theorists don't actually want to get into the nitty gritty of their beliefs and fight tooth and nail to avoid doing so.

    They don't want to consider that their beliefs are false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And if people want to know where the "thrust doesn't work in a vacuum" came from, it was people arguing against Robert H. Goddard, a rocket scientist, and was famously editorialised in the New York Times, they printed a correction to the story 49 years later in 1969 (the year of the moon landing):

    New York Times Retracts 1920 Article Saying Spaceflight is Impossible - RF Cafe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Oh dear. So, they filmed it orbit? Which you say is impossible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    "A sickening part of this video is how he mentions being visited by men in black suits, not long after making contact with Sibrel, threatening him and his family, which is why he decided to only release the footage after his death."


    But he was OK with the "men in black" who threatened him hurting his family after he had died? That was fine?


    There are two possibilities here:

    1. You actually believe all the, I'll be charitable, questionable stuff you post here. In which case you have my sympathies.
    2. The other possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Ridicule. It is definitely ridicule. you can rest assured that it will stay there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    First time I've seen this but very interesting. Just shows they were wise to it before NASA (the organisation founded by a satanist and scientologist) started making their fraudulent grainy footage. They've only bought themselves 50 years of time, the age of the internet is already exposing their disgusting lies.

    Lies like the challenger "disaster" which killed all these astronauts who somehow have doppelgangers still walking around today. Some who couldn't even have bothered changing their names 🤣

    But I guess this was debunked long ago...

    Not sure why I keep coming back here posting these smoking guns. I guess I get a little enjoyment to see just how neck deep in the fairytale people are.

    Kinda sad...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    I see you’re not going to address any of the points that have been raised about your previous post, absolute head in the sand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you expect others to accept an unsourced photo as proof of anything from you of all people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes, this has been debunked long ago. There is nothing linking those blurry, pixelated, unsourced photos to any of the people who died on Challenger other than looking vaguely similar.

    Again, if we spend any time thinking about the claim you are implying (but won't state directly) we see that it falls apart and doesn't make any sense.

    You are claiming that Nasa, in addition to faking the entire shuttle launch fake blew it up and claimed all of those people were dead. But then they simply let the astronauts go back to the world and get themselves photographed? According to versions of that silly meme you've posted, they are even still using similar names.

    This is obviously and patently ridiculous before we even consider what possible motive they would have for doing this.


    But of course, you won't respond to any of these points as you've not responded to any of the points put to you.

    When each of your claims gets debunked, you ignore and gish gallop to the next one as if we haven't heard them all before.


    Also, Nasa wasn't founded by "a satanist and scientologist".

    This claim about Satanists being involved in the conspiracy I believe is another indication that you are indeed a religiously motivated flat earther.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Conspiracy theorists never address any points. They seem to subscribe to the notion that if they pretend not to see something, it stops existing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,812 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    With every post the poster makes, they either submit evidence contradictory to their earlier claims - such as here, which completely discredits their own theory in a fundamental way.

    Or, are forced into ever more implausible claims such as the Challenger doppelgangers, which doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

    Apparently now the conspiracy and charade it has to maintain extends to anything involving satellite communications, and the Chinese space programme.

    They might also throw a distraction grenade, where they will try to distract from being caught out in the above, by trying to get posters to prove some irrelevent tangent.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    Not sure why I keep coming back here posting these smoking guns. I guess I get a little enjoyment to see just how neck deep in the fairytale people are.

    Admission, finally, that you're on the wind-up, maybe?

    Do you ever regret spending disproportionate amounts of your life camping out in an online conspiracy forum posting repititious (sic), cynical, condescending drivel? Surely there are more positive ways of making the world a better place?

    Even the most basic of searches will show the numerous accounts of that image being debunked. One of the guys claimed to be "not really dead"*** was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Scobee, who is supposed to be some CEO (who was working in Chicago at the time of the real astronaut's training). The McNair guy is the dead astronaut's brother, etc. Really simple stuff to find out, yet you couldn't even be bothered to get a legible version of the supposed 'smoking gun' (lol), which proves that you just grabbed it from some random site where it's been posted multiple times to the point where it can't even be read any more.

    ***Making such a false claim as this, that people who essentially died for their country in the pursuit of knowledge and science didn't really die and are part of some elaborate hoax, is a new, disgusting low for you. It puts you on the same level as Alex Jones and the other scumbags harassing the parents of dead children, calling them actors. Lower than a snake's ballbag, the lot of 'em, and you're happy enough to just throw it out there as a form of entertainment?......to just watch others and see how they react to such blatant and demonstrably untrue statements?

    You are a fraud, a complete and utter charlatan. Dodging questions, refusing to commit to answers, never directly stating what you believe so that you can weasel out of any counterarguments, throwing up smokescreens and now, accusing the families of long-dead public servants as being paid shills who never lost their loved ones?........Based on what, a grainy, pixelated image that's been compressed to the point of illegibility that you couldn't even be bothered to find a decent copy of?

    Like I said, a new low. Disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    the organisation founded by a satanist and scientologist

    Coming back to this point after thinking about it. The only person I can think of that you might be referring to is Jack Parsons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons

    He's a very weird and interesting fellow, but he wasn't a satanist, he wasn't a scientologist and he didn't found Nasa.


    Would love to hear who you believe founded it.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Absolutley disgusting, but par for the course with these guys.

    They are sociopathic in their disregard for common decency when accusing people of faking deaths, dead people being false flag actors, associating deaths to diseases with absolutely no correlation etc.

    just disgusting, over and over.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It really means it's going to be ~47 more years before you post your own correction.

    Honestly, the real interesting area (as you're not that convincing at all with the other evidence) is if you actually faced on and tried to prove the existence of a greater being rather than trying to disprove verifiable facts. We're heading into the next decade where the likes of Artemis and SpaceX will push boundaries (budgets withstanding) leaving you with unsurmountable evidence to try and debunk or you can face it head on, outline your actual beliefs and why they are true (odd that you wouldn't know about Goddard and the Markus of his time trying to debunk him, but at least you can see what the vacuum fallacy was built upon now).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Spacefans like you have been saying boundaries will be pushed since the 90s and literally no boundaries have been pushed whatsoever and won't be pushed in our lifetimes either. It's getting embarrassing at this stage as each year passes.

    Here's a toast to all the "anomalies" on getting man "back" to the moon and all the other failed missions to come! 🍸️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But you're not able to point out any anomalies in the previous missions that you are actually willing to defend.

    This is a good indication of the quality of your claims going forwards as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,243 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    According to you space travel is all faked. This is your theory. You're on a public forum, if you aren't able to demonstrate it to anyone, then the issue is likely that your belief is false.

    A year ago there was a poster who claimed we all live under a giant dome, it's absurd of course, but it has as much evidence as your belief, i.e. none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭satguy


    It was funded by the Americans with lots of help from German scientists.

    So yes, kinda, I suppose ..



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yeah, we've just received photographs from as close as 1000 kms from the surface of the moons of jupiter, which is only 630,000,000 kilometers away from earth......

    but hey, we're not repeating something we did 60 years ago, therefore it must be fake.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Multiple mars rover launches to Mars by multiple countries

    Lunar rovers sent to the moon by multiple countries

    Mapping satellites for mars and the moon in continual orbit.

    Robots flying on Mars.

    Re-usable rockets flying multiple times each month.

    Starlink (that's visible for people who use telescopes)

    Investigation of Pluto.

    Deep investigation of Saturn.

    James Webb uncovering the oldest known galaxies and reshaping the big bang theory.

    Artemis 1 flying successfully around and back from the moon on the first attempt with a crew module.

    Chinese space station.

    International space station.

    Many space tourists.

    Among lots of other things, all since the 90's.

    Start the debunking :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,732 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

    Of course they fucking did.

    /thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Yet still nobody on the moon in 50 years.

    Whether it happened or not I don’t really care, but do you not at the very least question why it hasn’t happened (beyond the funding, headcount, politics excuses).

    On another note, as I’m not an Astro Physicist like the many that the conspiracy theory forum on boards strangely attracts and have little knowledge of space flights, in the 6 landings, was it 6 for 6 in 3 years or was there any disasters/failures.

    Genuine questions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    (beyond the funding, headcount, politics excuses).

    So you're asking "aside from the reason, do you not think about the reason?"

    That's kind of a nonsense question.


    Also, no, the apollo program wasn't perfect. There were many failures, namely Apollo 1 and 13. Again it seems like you're asking "Aside from the failures, how come everything was perfect."


    Since we are asking genuine questions, could you answer the previous one I asked you?

    Why would it be impossible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,812 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How can you look beyond the funding and politics? They are the fundamentals.

    It was a prestige project, hugely costly. The technology was bespoke \ crafted, it wasn't a pioneer project for a scaleable technology.

    What economic benefit will another moon mission bring? What political benefit will it bring to its sponsors to justify the pork barrel? There are lots of other demands for the budget, from healthcare to military to climate change.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    do you not at the very least question why it hasn’t happened (beyond the funding, headcount, politics excuses).

    Yeah, I know what you mean......personally, I question why nobody in the world died in the past 10 years (beyond the old age, accidents, medical conditions, homicide excuses).

    FFS, listen to yourself. If you're willing to dismiss the actual reported reasons then what do you expect people to say?

    "why hasn't this happened....?"

    "because of X, y and Z, obviously"

    "yeah, but if we ignore x, y and z for a second, it really makes you wonder WHY!!!?!!!?!"


     was it 6 for 6 in 3 years or was there any disasters/failures.

    Manned missions were 6 for 6 between July '69 - December '72. There were multiple unmanned landings by both the yanks and the russkies before, during and after this time period, mostly successful, with the odd failure here and there. Apollo 13, famously, was supposed to be a manned landing but it turned into a fly-by after the craft developed technical issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    I never said anything was impossible, can you link that quote because I didn’t say it. You’re misquoting me.

    I never said beyond the reason, I said beyond the excuses. You quoted me and then misquoted me again, to suit your agenda.

    When you say “many failures” you mention just two. So was it two or was there more? I’m trying to work out how many attempted missions happened in 3 years, I can’t find anything online, being an expert on all things space I’d hoped you’d know.

    None of the reasons given are plausible, funding, we’ve never had more wealth, people, thats just hogwash with technology and they have enough people to do every other mission, politics, it would be a major coup like it was for Kennedy (edit: at the start before someone mentions Nixon). All nonsense on repeat until it’s taken as fact.

    So why haven’t they done it since? Why send men around the moon on Artemis 1 and not land? Surely it can’t be that difficult if they did it 6 times in 3 years 50 years ago.

    Again, genuine questions on what is a conspiracy theory thread, not a plastic science thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ok. So then you agree that it's possible that apollo landed on the moon.

    We also agree that it's impossible that they faked it.


    As for your questions:

    There you go. Was incredibly easy to find.


    You might not agree with the reason or you might not personally understand it. But funding was the reason.

    Just because wealth in the world has increased, it doesn't mean that Nasa's budget has also increased.


    Can you explain why we don't have a super sonic jetliner these days?

    Concorde was developed in the 70s. We have the technology and people. So all jetliners should be supersonic if not even faster.

    Is it reasonable to then claim that Concorde was all fake?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    how would sending man back to the moon be a major coup for anybody?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    You just could not make this stuff up.

    Interviewer "There's a rumor going around online"

    Smith "Yeah, but if you look at facial recognition software and look my CV up online you'll find we are not the same person. I send emails I get directly to the FBI. He was a great guy though and I'm glad I wasn't him"


    🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But you are making it up.

    It's been explained to you how this notion doesn't make sense. The thumbnail on the video you posted is showing people with the same name that look nothing at all alike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    My oh, oh my the screw is really tightening on these Challenger spoofers. The train is gaining momentum!

    There's a job for you professional debunkers. Find us evidence of these Hawaiian twins. Must be the only twins in history that don't have a photo together as children...

    🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    he must have had his ears pinned back after the fake explosion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yea. You just seem to be stuck in spamming mode now because you are upset that your claims have been torn apart. You're ignoring all points because you cannot address them.


    You are now suggesting that Nasa spend trillions faking space missions, millions of that budget going into giving the astronauts they didn't kill new identities.

    But they couldn't photoshop a picture of a guy standing next to himself.


    Again, 2 seconds of critical thought exposes how flimsy the conspiracy claim is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    there are 8 billions people around, someone looks like you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,243 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They are twins. Not sure why they'd put up childhood photos on the internet to appease a few conspiracy theorists who will just claim such photos are "fake" as soon as they see them. Take yourself as an example, you casually dismiss every piece of space footage as fake. You dismiss any footage from the ISS (of which there is a vast amount) as being "under water".

    This whole Challenger conspiracy thing is debunked here




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No, he is arguing that they are the same person.

    This is based on them having the same name and the people behind the conspiracy were unable to change his name.

    How this makes sense is unexplained and has never been explained in any of the many times this silly claim has reared up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter



    Turkish George clooney is one of the best

    and chinese putin


    these will blow his mind





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,812 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They can fake a moon landing and satellite technology but cant cone up with a decent disguise or plastic surgery!

    If you believe this you will believe anything.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Can't use photoshop to give a guy a twin.

    Can't have names legally changed.

    Can't just kill people.


    The conspirators are simultaneously all powerful and incompetent. It just depends on what point is being thrown out at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the chinese Putin not so much but that guy is the absolute spit of George Clooney.



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