Another Woman Murdered in Dublin

hawley · 13-01-2023 6:17pm #1

I don't want to get into the specifics of this case, but it seems like yet another woman murdered by a man. It's at least fifteen in the last year. Following on top of the anniversary of the Aisling Murphy.

Thelonious Monk · 13-01-2023 6:24pm

Twitter is a cesspit for this already. All the usual loonies asking about the nationality, there's a whole load of weirdos out there just hoping the killer is foreign.

squidgainz · 13-01-2023 6:40pm

Mad , I hadn't heard of this so I went on rte news , main headline - women in guilty plea over fatal stabbing outside home. Victim was male.

headtheball14 · 13-01-2023 6:43pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2022/09/12/stolen-lives-239-violent-deaths-of-women-in-ireland-from-1996-to-today/

No shortage of women killed in Ireland regardless of their killers nationality. And most killed by those who profess to love them.

The Irish times did great work on this last year. A lot of these cases have yet to see any measure of justice.

Even where they know who was responsible delays in courts mean friends and families wait years for some resolution.

bucketybuck · 13-01-2023 7:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104506#Comment_120104506

15 women murdered is more significant than the 50/60 men that were murdered. Its just the way it is.

Jequ0n · 13-01-2023 10:21pm

There will have been a reason, and I am sure there are some people who care about it.

Jarhead_Tendler · 13-01-2023 10:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104465#Comment_120104465

As Opposed to you who ran here to moan about the random twitter weirdos. Thank you for your service chap

Hamachi · 13-01-2023 10:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120105618#Comment_120105618

Let’s not forget Reddit too!

Jinglejangle69 · 13-01-2023 10:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104465#Comment_120104465

Is all you have to say and try hammer home about this woman’s murder is that twitter is a cesspit and some Irish people are racist?

Cheap score.

thefallingman · 13-01-2023 10:40pm

The facts will be the facts, rip

Princess Calla · 14-01-2023 4:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104607#Comment_120104607

Well in alot of cases when men are murdered, their own actions have been a contributory factor i.e. drugs related/feud related etc. ....the saying "if you run with dogs you'll end up with fleas" somewhat springs to mind.

Where women are murdered it's usually by the hand of the person they love, the person who is supposed to be their "protector". The murder often happens in their home where they are supposed to be safe.

Usually in both cases the murderer is male.

Wives killing husbands are relatively rare the only one that springs to mind is "the black widow" which is probably about 20 years ago.

14-01-2023 5:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108335#Comment_120108335

Is your first paragraph not a similar opinion to believing that women bring it among themselves? You know that horrible blame that gets put on to a person who is assaulted or even murdered.

TruthEnforcer · 14-01-2023 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108335#Comment_120108335

Ya forgot the more recent 'Scissors Sisters' case from 2005 !

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2023 6:38pm

there's nothing stopping the "men get killed too!" lads from all meeting up and doing your own vigils when a man is murdered, if you're so concerned?

Princess Calla · 14-01-2023 7:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108712#Comment_120108712

Well usually in cases where the defence is "women bring it on themselves" it's in relation to them wearing a short skirt or being overly drunk etc. I absolutely believe that women should be able to wear what they like and drink what they like, without being mauled. They are harming absolutely no one. They are innocent people going about their life.

However if your lifestyle choice is drugs and running in criminal gangs racking up 300+ criminal convictions and someone takes you out (probably a second before you were going to take them out) , well then I'm not going to have too much sympathy for you. In my opinion these people are not innocent....live by the sword, die by the sword etc.

To try and say both scenarios are a similar way of thinking is pretty vile and an absolute insult to a rape/sexual assault/murder victim.

bucketybuck · 14-01-2023 7:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109049#Comment_120109049

And if your lifestyle choice is to chase bad boys and end up with an abusive person who eventually kills you, will you have sympathy there?

Of course you will, because you value women's lives above men's.

Either a murder victim is a "victim" or they aren't, gender should have nothing to do with it.

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2023 7:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109079#Comment_120109079

yes because vulnerable women can never get into precarious relationships with abusive men. f**king hell...

donaghs · 14-01-2023 7:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104518#Comment_120104518

Men kill more people, mostly other men. No consolation the female victims but that’s how it is.

The latest on this killing is the main suspect is seriously mentally ill (worse issues than Prince Harry), with a “history” of mental issues, and was seen soon after the killing ranting about Jesus and the Devil etc.

WrenBoy · 14-01-2023 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108917#Comment_120108917

Why not have compassion for the victims of violent crime regardless of if they are women or men and blame the perpetrators instead of engaging in this identity grievance of all men inherently do X against all women who are Y, seems unnecessarily divisive imo.

Jequ0n · 14-01-2023 8:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109049#Comment_120109049

That’s a very simplistic view though. Not every person who ends up in a gang or drug related environment does so out of their own volition and because they are in it for the money.

Ironically your post is the most judgemental of all in this thread.

Count Dracula · 14-01-2023 8:01pm

I think regrettably there really isn't a solve here.

Women will always tend to be the victims of murderous crimes and domestic violence. It is very sad.

There is nothing that can really be done. The fact remains that there is enough instances of women being murdered, by males. It is a fact. Women will tend to not use violence to get what they want , they can be extremely violent and really annoying to live with and incredibly stupid, dull and frustrating to deal with, a lot of the time, but they are less violent than males.

But there will be no societal fix here. It is not an Irish problem? It is not being exclusively being perpetrated by foreign eddeners either.

If you are a women, please listen to me. Stop hanging around, or falling in love, or sleeping with, or taking gifts from, or having notions about changing that absolute whanker you think gives a shít about you when he apologises to you after raising his voice, or shouting at you, or that time he flicked a limp wrist at you, or pushed you into the sofa, or laughed at you during sex , or punched you or let you witness him being violent with someone else..... this is your asshole that has potential to take your life during a row one evening, or when he wants custody of your kids, or when he wants his car back or when you nag at him for drinking and farting in bed to often.... that's the guy that might just kill ye one time?

There is no cure for women getting murdered by men, it is going to happen. There are billions of really nice, civil, good men out there, not killing women and not living like chunts do. Go get one and get on with your life. Get anyone who is violent to you out of your life ... now. It is always too late otherwise and that person is not going to change.

PS. Most men who murder women are strong and attractive looking, you won't think they were capable of it, that's why it is so common, relatively speaking.... it is you own fault for not seeing the signs, when you see them , get the phuck outta there and don't look back.

lawrencesummers · 14-01-2023 8:21pm

The only area of that should be up for discussion is the failure of a legal system we live with.

People dont turn into murderers overnight, there are almost always warning signs, convictions, complaints, previous assaults etc etc.

Step 1 is to remove bail for any men that are charged with physical violence towards women.

Step 2. Is to remove the possibility of suspended sentences for same.

The legal system can be a lot stronger in many areas.

Perfect example: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/murderer-gets-10-years-for-attack-on-five-year-old-1.699567

One eyed Jack · 14-01-2023 8:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058279523/another-woman-murdered-in-dublin

Following on top of the anniversary of the Aisling Murphy.

There’s no connection whatsoever between that case and any other cases. It’s not as though a person who commits murder is in any way considerate of other murder victims.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108335#Comment_120108335

Well in alot of cases when men are murdered, their own actions have been a contributory factor i.e. drugs related/feud related etc. ....the saying "if you run with dogs you'll end up with fleas" somewhat springs to mind.

Happens in just as many cases where women are the victims that saying is offered as an explanation for the perpetrators actions. It’s not any more true in those cases than it is in cases where men are the victims.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109155#Comment_120109155

The latest on this killing is the main suspect is seriously mentally ill (worse issues than Prince Harry), with a “history” of mental issues, and was seen soon after the killing ranting about Jesus and the Devil etc.

Aye, that’s as likely to fuel negative stereotypes about people who have some form of mental illness is all, which can be used as an explanation either in defence of their actions, or as an explanation for their actions, absent of the fact that having some form of mental illness isn’t any indication of a predisposition to violence, let alone murder. A good example of the phenomenon is in this recent case where two expert psychiatrists disagree on what caused the woman to commit murder -

Michael O‘Higgins SC, who acted for Ms Anderson, said there were “ongoing difficulties on the defence side” arising from a report by consultant psychiatrist Prof Harry Kennedy and the decision to plead guilty to manslaughter was informed by this.

The court had previously heard that Prof Kennedy disagreed with Dr Brenda Wright, a consultant psychiatrist called by the defence who said Ms Anderson was suffering from bipolar affective disorder and as a result of this was unable to refrain from stabbing Mr Kelly.

Prof Kennedy said Ms Anderson’s behaviour was better explained by cannabis intoxication. Intoxication cannot be used as a defence under the Criminal Law (Insanity) Act 2006.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-mum-pleads-guilty-stabbing-28952521?int_source=nba

thegame983 · 14-01-2023 8:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109228#Comment_120109228

The gender grift pays big bucks. Just look at the Irish Times/ Indo/ Journal etc.

Endless identity politics.

Deja Boo · 14-01-2023 9:18pm

@Count Dracula, excuse me for being one of those silly ....

...incredibly stupid, dull and frustrating

females that make up half of the population, but... did you actually just blame female victims ...

...it is you own fault

for "deserving" to be murdered??? 😧

With a comment like that, I would think twice before referring to anyone as 'incredibly stupid' and 'frustrating', cos that remark wins top prize.

Count Dracula · 14-01-2023 9:24pm

The passive aggressive types are the worst?

Passive aggressives moaning about people getting murdered.... total pathos.

14-01-2023 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109049#Comment_120109049

I see where you are coming from.

My view is this:

Women are often the victims of violent crimes for no reason other than their involvement with someone, usually a man, who cares not for their lives. Or other reasons.

Men are often the victims of violent crimes for reasons that may be connected to their involvement in crime. Or other reasons.

This is not a competition Calla. I will never see the world in a way that assumes one gender is more or less than another, more or less deserving of understanding than another.

The article in the Irish Times last year which listed all the women murdered was shocking and so very sad. It really showed the violence we can potentially be met with.

That doesn't negate the violence that can occur to men. Can we not shake off this strange attempt at striving for a hierarchy of suffering between the genders?

14-01-2023 9:38pm

Is the number of homicides of women and girls by men increasing?

tupenny · 14-01-2023 9:40pm

Quite

Quitelife · 14-01-2023 9:47pm

Huge amount of murders generally , hard keep track of all the different murders in Ireland these days..Ashtown, Finglas, Carrigaline etc etc

Soft on crime judges , Solicitors telling yarns about repeat offenders, too few guards & not enough prison space = no Deterrent anymore

The J Stands for Jay · 14-01-2023 9:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108335#Comment_120108335

"when men are murdered, their own actions have been a contributory factor"

Nice victim blaming there.

Count Dracula · 14-01-2023 9:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109657#Comment_120109657

It is early stages yet, at the moment professor our best assessment is, that it really is tooo early to tell?

We should have more accurate records by midnight or early morning, keep you posted.

The tide is high but I am holding on.

One eyed Jack · 14-01-2023 10:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109657#Comment_120109657

Trends over say the last 25 years aren't really increasing or decreasing, but there's one standout statistic -

87% of women (where the case has been resolved) were killed by a man known to them. 13% of women were killed by a stranger.

Women Included in the Women’s Aid Femicide Watch 1996-2023

14-01-2023 10:33pm

We mustn’t forget about women killing men too. I say this as a woman. One such has been attributed principally to cannabis use, another factor being bipolar disorder. When people are addicted to substances in addition to failing to obtain medical care or follow medical advice (a complicated pathway tbh) the result can be tragic for many parties.

Jequ0n · 14-01-2023 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109789#Comment_120109789

That statistic means very little out of context though, because most murders are male on male cases.

Overall some parts of society will always be at a higher risk than the rest, but this will never change.

One eyed Jack · 14-01-2023 10:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109937#Comment_120109937

It’s not out of context though? The context was Fugue asking the question is the number of homicides of women and girls by men increasing. It’s not really increasing or decreasing, the link provides the names of those women killed by men every year since 1996. In 87% of cases women were killed by men who were known to them.

The question wasn’t about most murders. It was specifically about women who are killed by men. I’m not interested in making victimhood a competitive sport between the sexes either, they can be treated separately without any necessity to consider how many men are killed by men, an entirely separate issue.

14-01-2023 10:59pm

I dunno. I mean... my view would get me deemed a "pick me" girl on Twitter (when I'm more of a feminist than some of that lot are) but why are people acting as though this (domestic violence culminating in murder/rare cases where the woman is attacked and killed by a random man or a man she barely knows) is a new thing? Why are people acting as though it's extremely dangerous for a woman to walk to the shop up the street after dark? If there were endless cases of attacks on women just being out and about, I'd agree, but that simply isn't the case statistically. It is the case for women in some parts of the world unfortunately, but that's a world away from here.

Like *obviously* it's horrific. It means there is a minority of scumbags though - how the hell does demonising men in general help? Where is the logic to that? There's talk of a misogynistic culture - now there certainly is a grubby online culture for sure, but a misogynistic society is one like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, not Ireland ffs. Domestic abuse was *worse* in Ireland in the past - e.g. forcing yourself on your wife wasn't deemed rape until 1990. Ashling Murphy - that poor young woman's murder was by a lone maniac. Nobody was responsible but him.

I understand people wondering why no mention of men being murdered, but domestic abuse culminating in death obviously affects women a lot more. Men are at risk of violence in other contexts though for sure.

There will always be a minority of scumbags, and that's just unavoidable, so therefore - more resources for those experiencing domestic violence, so that they can leave the home safely; more resources invested in treating mental illness. And yes, teaching us women how to take care of ourselves - that is not victim blaming, it's an acknowledgement that no matter what is done, there will always be a minority of scumbags.

Telling men and boys they hold a level of accountability though - what on earth will that achieve? It's gonna stop the violent scumbags? Most men in my experience are intensely angered by men who assault women and have raped. People really get suckered into these distorted social media campaigns without questioning a thing. Lists of women found dead and people just blindly accepting they were all murdered.

And if there is a correlation between mass migration and such attacks - tough sh1t if you can't face up to that. It needs to be acknowledged whether convenient or not. That is not the same as blaming all immigrants.

I hate misogyny, but I also hate dishonesty.

Tony EH · 14-01-2023 11:09pm

😕

I remember the days when the only people getting murdered on this island were up the North.

Nowadays, it seems we can't go a week without hearing that someone's been off'd.

dtothebtotheh · 14-01-2023 11:11pm

#shortmenslivesmatter

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2023 11:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109977#Comment_120109977

20 euros to a charity of a choice if you can prove you're a woman. So obvious you're a bloke pretending to a woman, loads of you guys on twitter too.

14-01-2023 11:32pm

It's a long post with loads of points but there's bound to be at least one scummy answer like the above. It bursts your bubble but I'm not the only woman who feels that way. I also have a huge problem with hardcore porn, which doesn't help matters. "Liberals" tend not to see that though.

14-01-2023 11:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110062#Comment_120110062

Fugue is a woman. Why are you assuming she is not?

14-01-2023 11:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110094#Comment_120110094

Because I didn't give the opinion that he expects from ladies.

One eyed Jack · 14-01-2023 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110062#Comment_120110062

What in the name of Jesus is this about? A thread discussing women who are the victims of murder committed by men, and you’re acting like some bigwig if a poster proves they’re a woman? That’s just fcuking bizarre tbh.

Princess Calla · 14-01-2023 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109986#Comment_120109986

Wasn't it hawe that killed his wife n kids?

Then the kanturk murders....can't really remember who killed who...if it was the dad murdering both sons then suicide or the son murdering his sibling and dad and then suicide.

Then the dad in cork that drowned his daughter and committed suicide.

And I think there was another dad that killed his two sons and committed suicide.

They are just top of my head no googling so open to correction.

Similarly the 3 cases of mother's...the tallaght case, Kildare fire case and strawberry fields case.

Bit grim battle of the sexes there!

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2023 11:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110119#Comment_120110119

irish twitter is plagued with blokes pretending to be women so they can spout certain views, it's full of them, there are plenty on here too.

14-01-2023 11:48pm

My post though was far more detailed and nuanced than just the usual whiney/whataboutery stuff that some men post.

Also, I'd need evidence that those tweeters are men pretending to be women. I regularly encounter women who post stuff I don't like but I don't just decide they're men.

There's definitely a trend online though of beardy leftwing men talking down to women.

One eyed Jack · 14-01-2023 11:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110124#Comment_120110124

Aye, and this isn’t OnlyFans.

Sweetemotion · 14-01-2023 11:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110124#Comment_120110124

They're probably under your bed also.

Princess Calla · 14-01-2023 11:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109694#Comment_120109694

I don't really see people, regardless of gender, who are involved voluntarily in criminal activity ,who through the course of these activities end up murdered, as victims to be honest.

That might be a controversial opinion but there you go.

Sweetemotion · 14-01-2023 11:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110126#Comment_120110126

The male feminist is red, red flag. Never trust any of them dirty rotten snakes in the grass.

Another Woman Murdered in Dublin

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