Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

40% of those arriving seeking International Protection destroy documents.

'The data reveals that for a period between January and July of this year, around 2,915 people flew into Dublin Airport and did not present their travel documents to border management officials...Of this total number, over 2,232, or 77 percent of them, subsequently sought asylum and were allowed to remain pending the assessment of their claim.'

Interestingly, only 177 left the state from January to October 2022 so it seems that destroying documents will not result in them having 'no chance' of being granted asylum.

'The cost of voluntary withdrawal as of June 2022, the latest information available, amounted to €438,512. That amount includes pre-return counselling, flights, medical support, escorts and post-return reintegration grants'.

Is it any wonder that we are running out of room. Even when someone is deported they get a few quid out of it. It would also be nice to see some evidence regarding the claim that 'most deportees leave voluntarily'.

Thankfully between the NP In the last GE and Peter Casey's presidential campaign, it's been shown the vast majority won't fall for the Trump school of politics.

Don't worry though lads, your right wing messiah is coming, any day now.......

It should be triaged on the spot at the point of entry in hours.

When you mention Peter Casey, you probably should mention the fact that he rose from less than 1% in the polls to getting 23% in the actual election by simply giving an honest opinion of the problem with travellers in this country.

He lacked charm and charisma and was up against a very likable and easy to vote for sitting president and was a huge achievement. He did particularly well with voters who live in areas with a high traveller population, while was less popular in places where the general public rarely have to deal with their antics.

I personally wouldn't ever vote for a National Party or their like, but would favour a centrist party who would actually acknowledge that we have a problem with bogus immigration and deal with it in a pragmatic manner. None of our established parties seem to want any border control and the main parties of opposition seem even less in favour of it.

I would like to see some controlled immigration to this country where a green card type system is used to fill positions where skills are lacking. I'd also wish to cater for genuine vetted refugees in a controlled manner where we can actually help them in numbers which we can handle.

I'd be lost as to who to vote for if there was an election in the morning and can see some people voting for the likes of the National Party out of sheer lack of choice. Probably still won't be big numbers but who knows if a strong leader managed to emerge.

International refugee law doesn't say anything about whether refugees should be carrying documentation or not. 80 asylum seekers could arrive in the back of a lorry at Rosslare or on a boat from Wales (or cross the border from NI). The state cannot discriminate against potential asylum seekers just because they have arrived on a plane, but then allow the ones in the back of a lorry at Rosslare without documentation through. They have to apply the exact same immigration procedures to every single person who arrives in the state claiming asylum.

If people are destroying their passports before they arrive, that is indeed very unhelpful, but the state just has to try and work its way around it.

That's 23% of 1st preference votes, we never found out how many 2nd preference vote he got, and that was 6 years ago!!! A lot has happened in those years!! What would a candidate like that get today, Casey was a tv personality on a parochial tv station, not a particularly likeable chap in what was a meaningless election.

Ireland needs to build a new modern mega city

The majority of the tiny amount of people deported from here (as pointed out) are voluntary returns of which we have very little proof that someone actually left the state as we do not scan passports out of the state. Most States scan passports when exiting, we don’t. I would question the number of VRs provided by the immigration service.

Applicants who fail the international protection process have more chance of been hit by a meteorite than being deported.

The most effective way of deporting a failed IP applicant is at the border. When they arrive at the state, Immigration officers should conduct a first stage screening of an application for international protection at the airport and make a decision to deport or move to the next stage of the process. Australia and many other states do this.

The point is the climate now exists for a nutter to do well in politics. Like we were told we had to take in Ukrainian refugees, which pretty much everyone agreed with. Then people see bus loads of immigrants from other countries (relatively stable countries) being rammed into every nook and cranny around the country. It’s actually nuts what we and many other countries are doing. There is no excuse for it.

Well, to use the people in the back of a lorry at Rosslare example : let's say 80 of them arrive and are then discovered by Immigration. Would it really make much difference if 40 of them had passports and the other 40 didn't? I think think there's a risk of getting a little too bogged down on this whole passports / documentation thing.

Em no.

It means we know their names and can check if there is let’s say a warrant out for their arrest or have been convicted of certain crimes in previous countries.

This is basic stuff that border control should be taking care of.

Every country has a right to protect its borders.

Seems Ireland hasn’t got the memo.

But the person still has to establish their identity with Immigration. They have to give their home country, home address, date and place of birth, what school or university they were educated at, who are their immediate relatives and next of kin, how exactly they got from their home country to Ireland etc. All of this stuff can be cross checked with international databases and with Interpol.

The idea that not having a passport gives them a free pass is not correct. If they cannot establish their identity to the satisfaction of the authorities here, then they cannot make an actual asylum claim.

No inspections into O'Gorman lying to the public?