€1,350/cow payment to cut suckler numbers

Spot On, i'd thank this twice if I could!

They are intensive farming.

I think the represent a positive story for farming, hopefully the lads providing will do well also.

They'll be taking crops from good land, so biodiversity was always 2nd place, they however are also a shield against a religion that wants to burn farmers as heretics and sinners.

Farmers should certainly be encouraged into other environmental options.

They might help preserve farming and farming that helps biodiversity in the long run, who knows. So taking one for the team.

My home house was built in 1796, I always presumed that it was dairy that paid for it. No turns out it was flax, grown on the heavier wet ground, the ground I consider summer grazing only, not the good fields.

I often remind myself of that information, that things can flip the opposite, and opportunities can be in places that you least expect.

Danzy is back from the pub, has poured himself a measure and is feeling philosophical.

Hate to burst a bubble for a few here, but there are no suggestions anywhere for 24 month finishing.

You can't help but feel the farmers involved last night walked themselves into a trap. The piece was the propaganda to get water charges on river extraction and well extraction approved. The enviros are all over this as an indirect attack on agriculture, to get revenue for themselves, whilst using the environment as cover. It especially looked well for their case when the drill went to 400ft and no water. Only for saving grace the next day when they got water at 320ft. But as anyone knows underground it's cracks and splits in rock where water flows through and you could miss a stream by 10ft and have no water.

Ear to the ground is now a government ag vehicle to push on farmers first and to get the idea accepted.

(it hasn't stopped raining in new zealand this year. Someone on here had a theory that whatever weather new zealand get. We get similar six months later. 🤷‍♂️)

Methinks you're wrong. The Governments Climate Action Plan clearly states a finishing age of 24-25 months by 2025 and 22-23 months by 2030.

Bottom line the future is AA off Dairy Cows

I think he is correct in that that is what they will push towards.

I agree that aax can be worse than the worst Holstein at times

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I think that the EU and the Govt couldn't give a continental about the problems it will cause farmers.

Also the reduction in ration protein is going to hit weanling frames.

Are you a keyboard warrior or even worse a fookin vegan cause you appear to assume what farmers do. That alone leads me to believe that you are not a farmer - "I assume farmers will buy whatever suits can be a glorfied goat if left profit who cares no farmer gives a monkey what he is finsihing just what it leaves him. 30c bonus for the AA go a long way"

You don't have a clue about the current livestock slaughter/export figures in Ireland cause if you are involved in livestock industry you would know where to obtain the official DAFM figures.

You quote an article from The Irish Times and comment as thus - "so calves bring killed just be part and parcel as it I guess 100k a year killed at a few weeks old" - can you back up your statement with official DAFM figures?

Average Base...Average

Current average is 26 months..

Range 16 to 36...

They've dropped the million electric cars target.

It's now as many as they can acheive.

The plan appears to have been but together by a crowd with very little real world knowledge of actual sustainability or Ecology. Just rushed box ticking and trendy Greenwash, as illustrated by the utterances of that clown Fitzgerald over the last few months. A guy who has no qualification in any of the relevant areas but is a pillar of the current political establishment

I see larry got the suckler reduction scheme withdrawn

"Corley explained that BPM found it is difficult to understand why the department would tarnish the reputation of the suckler sector by recommending an exit/reduction scheme.

“This sends out a message that our suckler farms are problematic for the environment and are net polluters. We are urging the farm minister to reconsider taking this action.”