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Another Woman Murdered in Dublin

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    It is early stages yet, at the moment professor our best assessment is, that it really is tooo early to tell?

    We should have more accurate records by midnight or early morning, keep you posted.

    The tide is high but I am holding on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,921 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Trends over say the last 25 years aren't really increasing or decreasing, but there's one standout statistic -

    87% of women (where the case has been resolved) were killed by a man known to them. 13% of women were killed by a stranger. 

    Women Included in the Women’s Aid Femicide Watch 1996-2023





  • We mustn’t forget about women killing men too. I say this as a woman. One such has been attributed principally to cannabis use, another factor being bipolar disorder. When people are addicted to substances in addition to failing to obtain medical care or follow medical advice (a complicated pathway tbh) the result can be tragic for many parties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    That statistic means very little out of context though, because most murders are male on male cases.

    Overall some parts of society will always be at a higher risk than the rest, but this will never change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,921 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s not out of context though? The context was Fugue asking the question is the number of homicides of women and girls by men increasing. It’s not really increasing or decreasing, the link provides the names of those women killed by men every year since 1996. In 87% of cases women were killed by men who were known to them.

    The question wasn’t about most murders. It was specifically about women who are killed by men. I’m not interested in making victimhood a competitive sport between the sexes either, they can be treated separately without any necessity to consider how many men are killed by men, an entirely separate issue.



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    I dunno. I mean... my view would get me deemed a "pick me" girl on Twitter (when I'm more of a feminist than some of that lot are) but why are people acting as though this (domestic violence culminating in murder/rare cases where the woman is attacked and killed by a random man or a man she barely knows) is a new thing? Why are people acting as though it's extremely dangerous for a woman to walk to the shop up the street after dark? If there were endless cases of attacks on women just being out and about, I'd agree, but that simply isn't the case statistically. It is the case for women in some parts of the world unfortunately, but that's a world away from here.

    Like *obviously* it's horrific. It means there is a minority of scumbags though - how the hell does demonising men in general help? Where is the logic to that? There's talk of a misogynistic culture - now there certainly is a grubby online culture for sure, but a misogynistic society is one like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, not Ireland ffs. Domestic abuse was *worse* in Ireland in the past - e.g. forcing yourself on your wife wasn't deemed rape until 1990. Ashling Murphy - that poor young woman's murder was by a lone maniac. Nobody was responsible but him.

    I understand people wondering why no mention of men being murdered, but domestic abuse culminating in death obviously affects women a lot more. Men are at risk of violence in other contexts though for sure.

    There will always be a minority of scumbags, and that's just unavoidable, so therefore - more resources for those experiencing domestic violence, so that they can leave the home safely; more resources invested in treating mental illness. And yes, teaching us women how to take care of ourselves - that is not victim blaming, it's an acknowledgement that no matter what is done, there will always be a minority of scumbags.

    Telling men and boys they hold a level of accountability though - what on earth will that achieve? It's gonna stop the violent scumbags? Most men in my experience are intensely angered by men who assault women and have raped. People really get suckered into these distorted social media campaigns without questioning a thing. Lists of women found dead and people just blindly accepting they were all murdered.

    And if there is a correlation between mass migration and such attacks - tough sh1t if you can't face up to that. It needs to be acknowledged whether convenient or not. That is not the same as blaming all immigrants.

    I hate misogyny, but I also hate dishonesty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    😕

    I remember the days when the only people getting murdered on this island were up the North.

    Nowadays, it seems we can't go a week without hearing that someone's been off'd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭dtothebtotheh


    #shortmenslivesmatter



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    20 euros to a charity of a choice if you can prove you're a woman. So obvious you're a bloke pretending to a woman, loads of you guys on twitter too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a long post with loads of points but there's bound to be at least one scummy answer like the above. It bursts your bubble but I'm not the only woman who feels that way. I also have a huge problem with hardcore porn, which doesn't help matters. "Liberals" tend not to see that though.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fugue is a woman. Why are you assuming she is not?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because I didn't give the opinion that he expects from ladies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,921 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    What in the name of Jesus is this about? A thread discussing women who are the victims of murder committed by men, and you’re acting like some bigwig if a poster proves they’re a woman? That’s just fcuking bizarre tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Wasn't it hawe that killed his wife n kids?

    Then the kanturk murders....can't really remember who killed who...if it was the dad murdering both sons then suicide or the son murdering his sibling and dad and then suicide.

    Then the dad in cork that drowned his daughter and committed suicide.

    And I think there was another dad that killed his two sons and committed suicide.

    They are just top of my head no googling so open to correction.

    Similarly the 3 cases of mother's...the tallaght case, Kildare fire case and strawberry fields case.

    Bit grim battle of the sexes there!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    irish twitter is plagued with blokes pretending to be women so they can spout certain views, it's full of them, there are plenty on here too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My post though was far more detailed and nuanced than just the usual whiney/whataboutery stuff that some men post.

    Also, I'd need evidence that those tweeters are men pretending to be women. I regularly encounter women who post stuff I don't like but I don't just decide they're men.

    There's definitely a trend online though of beardy leftwing men talking down to women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,921 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I don't really see people, regardless of gender, who are involved voluntarily in criminal activity ,who through the course of these activities end up murdered, as victims to be honest.

    That might be a controversial opinion but there you go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    The male feminist is red, red flag. Never trust any of them dirty rotten snakes in the grass.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think it's a controversial opinion at all. I don't share it but I can see why you would have it.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,524 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A man has been charged

    This is now before the courts

    Thread closed



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