Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

The more educated people of Ballymun, Eastwall & Drimnagh have not got involved. If anything they have tried to welcome the new arrivals but have faced threats from the rabble that are protesting.

The far right agitators are targeting a specific group in these areas hoping that this will lead to further numbers (numbers are falling off if last week's "protests" are anything to go by)

Remember is about 80-100 people max at ballymun and about 50-60 at East Wall. Have a look at the typical protestor and what they are saying. Obvious they lack education, most likely on social welfare and unbelievably gullible.

The vast vast majority of people in these areas are not protesting, are not gullible and do not follow this far right agenda and do not have any issue with the refugees who have not caused any problems.

This may be overthinking it but "get them out" could only be directed at the people in a position to "get them out" i.e. the government.

The chanting was as intimidating as any other form of chanting at a protest. I only saw men looking out of windows at us. Who seemed quite the opposite of intimidated given their hand gestures.

As it says in the post you are referring to, about women and children being put in to a centre to make protestors look bad, the centre in question is the one in East Wall.

"smart enough"? Or wealthy enough not to need to, when they can pay for senior counsel to effectively say "out out out" on their behalf but in the High Court.

The same poster literally wants to force most of Ireland into cities too, making the problem even worse than it is, yet somehow he sees no connection between the world that he wants and the response that he doesn't want.

No I just want ireland to follow best practices when it comes to dwellings and settlement patterns.

It’s amazing that immigration has become a left/right issue.

The left, unions etc had traditionally been anti immigrant. In Ireland, the canon saints of the Irish left, Connolly, Larkin were anti immigrant, anti semetic.

The granddaddy of the left, Karl Marx, was profoundly racist. His letters to Engels were littered with the N word amongst other racist abominations.

The Democratic Party in the US, the UK Labour Party, all sought to protect their voters by often racist immigration policies.

I am not sure why pro Brexit left wing parties like People Before Profit are pro unlimited immigration when it could be argued it served to drive down wages of workers who compete for jobs, housing and services with new arrivals.

I don't think this genuinely about left and right at all. At least as traditionally understood.

I think the Left and their ideas have been so successful in Ireland and are so firmly embedded in positions of power and narrative control that when the state adopts a policy of open borders the left must be for it.

And anyone opposed to these policies adopted by the left must, according to them, be on the right. As nonsensical as that is.

My politics don't differ much from FF about 10 years ago. If I'm "Far Right" then so was Bertie Ahern. And Brian Cowen was a Right Wing extremist.

Big if true.

i thought there were women and children in ballymun no? what are there concerns anyway with the men?

The concerns are nobody wants to see a large group of men arriving in their area and they certainly don't want to be mislead which is what happened in this case.

I mentioned it before on the thread that over 100 Ukrainians arrived in my area and the first we knew about it was the day they came so people are being put into communities without telling the people living there about it.

We were lucky in that it was women and children but if it was a group of young men it would be a different story.

i mean like what are they worried the men will do in ballymun? anyone who knows the area would know that foreign men are the least of your worries in an area like that.

yeah it's a bit ridiculous, but to think the people of ballymun are somehow in danger from these men is also ridiculous if you ask me. if anything i'd say the men are more in danger rather than the other way around.

Thanks for that. I agree with almost all of it. Maybe it's my cheery disposition but I amn't as pessimistic about the possibility of the government changing course.

I think there's a chance.

Sinn Fein have a huge internal divide on the issue of immigration. Their woke supporters and party workers vs. their traditional supporters. It's almost two parties in one but they were covering over the cracks until this blew up. They can't quickly move their position on immigration.

There is a major political opportunity here for Leo. (Forget FF - as far as I can see they're now just a Micheal Martin vanity project).

If Leo appeals to that working/ lower middle class SF support with language about robust borders he could see a significant lift in polling numbers.

SF have a big vulnerability. It is there for someone to exploit. I've no idea if Leo is going to do it. But it certainly looks like an option.

remarkable how you can refute a stereotype for one group of people whilst espousing a stereotype for another group and all in a mere two sentences.

well I'll be moving around the corner from the East Wall centre in a few months so I'm totally ok with them being there doesn't bother me in the slightest. Anyone living in the real world and who knows Dublin knows that if you ever get any trouble in areas like that it'll be from the local scumbags not foreigners. I would have a preference over people from god knows where over locals who attack people going home from work and kill people yes, not rocket science.

I lightening branded the people who killed those foreigners as scum, god I'm so awful aren't I.

i just don't get why people care if these places are near them, especially if you live in a busy city with all walks of life anyway, I guess I'm a minority in thinking that way.