"Green" policies are destroying this country

Oh for gods sake you are unbelievable.

This is what’s wrong with the “green movement” in one post!

Hang on a second, that article is an outright lie. How did wind energy "help consumers avoid paying €2bn for gas"? It's not even talking about gas customers, but electricity customers. And they paid exactly the same amount for their electricity regardless of source. It's the same as if Tesco told me they saved me two quid on Rooster potatoes because they sold me Kerr Pinks at the same price. How does anyone fall for this crap?

Computer climate models have existed since the 1970s so we can go back and check how accurate they have been

You might think the climate is impossible to model accurately. How do you explain the close agreement with predictions made in those models 50 years ago, with the observed warming?

The main climate models are extremely complex and are built iteratively, as our understanding improves and we have more data that we can input into the models, run them again historically and validate how those parameters affect the outcome of the models, scientists can reduce the number of assumptions and increase the resolution of the algorithms

We are a long way away from having surplus power on the scale required for consistent low emission hydrogen (it's not green at all) production.

What are you going on about? Your side of the debate are the ones who constantly defend the fossil fuel industry. Exxon should be severely punished for their negligence and corruption in the past, and if they continue to act in such an anti social way by lying on emissions reporting, they should be fined and sanctioned out of existence

One of the benefits of renewable energy is that we are not going to be held to ransom by these massive fossil fuel conglomorates anymore.

I have personally never been deceived by Exxon. They supply a product that is used by billions of people, many or most of whom are aware of the implications. I burn this product every single day, and so do you.

I worry about people who continue to spread lies about climate change. They also make billions in profits. Some of their lies have been disseminated on this thread, literally today, by willing lackeys. They cause extensive psychological harm to people. They also have the potential to create real and devastating economic harm.

Climate change is quite a bind. People peddling simple solutions are ... well, simpletons. They seem to have no conception of the scale of global energy use and the extent to which our continued existence relies on it. And yet we have people wittering on about cargo bikes in Ireland as if they were remotely relevant to the issue. It's dangerous and diversionary nonsense. If every passenger car on the planet became an EV overnight, we would save about 4% of global emissions if all of the energy they used was from low emission sources.

I'm completely opposed to anyone proposing to damage our energy infrastructure, and with it our climate resilience too. I'm strongly in favour of renewables, but don't see them as a sole solution and I'm definitely against overpaying for them. I think there is no possibility of staying below 2C of warming no matter what we do* and we should be planning for how we're going to adapt. Greenies shrieking about how +2C will end the world are a major part of the problem.

(* By "we" I mean the collective global population -- nothing that Ireland does will make any difference whatsoever, another reason why its energy hara kiri is stupid).

How many degrees of global warming will cargo bikes save?

I guess when you lot have everybody priced out of cars we may have to resort to cargo bikes.

Tweaking the model parameters to fit the observations. You still flogging Evaluating the performance of past climate model projections, by Hausfather et al. (2019). 1970s?, indeed, the earliest software that can be considered a "climate model" dates from the early 1980s. The more interesting question being can we expect such a tweaked model to have predictive power, in particular regarding the future? The answer is most definitely not.

If . . . . You may want to keep an eye on the work of Evgeny Volodin and Andrey Gritsun.