Munster Team Talk Thread - New season title pending....

Flannery? isn't he in Ulster?

Yea, The incumbent and their suitors are all a few steps down the ladder in Scotland compared to Ireland. healy is on the Scottish ladder when he couldnt even make the Irish one and whats ahead of him is far more reachable, a decent international career of 30/40 caps is not a pipedream for Ben.

true but to be honest id have had healy up there for ireland when JS retires too all things considered. crowley could be the answer (and given the situation now i really hope he turns out to be) but hes playing alot at 12 at the moment and con played him at 15 mainly too afaik so the jury is still out on where his best position is for me. not a fan of carbury at 10 personally so id have healy ahead of him definitely and possibly crowley.

im a massive fan of ross byrne tbh, i think hes gotten absolutely shafted since his two starts for ireland were against england away in games where the rest of the team were rubbish too. he might not be the flashiest in attack but with the right players around him things could run like clockwork. obviously the penalty against aus is a recent highlight but he also came on for billy burns against france 2 years ago and nailed an even more difficult kick to keep ireland in the game. he has balls. his brother is made of glass seemingly though

frawley is a possibility but hes more likely to be a 12 - see hawkshaw and forde also

burns/madigan/carty arent realistic at this stage

its a real shame imo, if munster had given healy a proper go and not started carbery everytime he was available i think he could have pushed for an ireland place. all moot now either way and i hope he does well with scotland

tom croft was a test lion......

sometimes coaches get it wrong

Yes, you may be right and the 4 coaches are wrong.

I'm not convinced you're right

This is exactly my opinion too fwiw.

So much invested in Carbery by moving him to Munster to be 10, that it creates a reluctance amongst all coaches in Munster and Ireland to allow him to be usurped.

(and as hinted at earlier, everybody's hand in the Irfu was forced due to certain legal proceedings in the North at the time. Had it not been for that, Carbery would never have found himself as Sexton's understudy. Might still have been moved to Munster tho)

It's just the nature of the professional game. Any player is an asset, an investment. As their coach or mentor you want to see them reach their peak and stay there for as long as possible.

Injuries will halt the return on that investment. But if the investment has been substantial, high profile and prolonged, the powers that be are more likely to double down on it.

That's what's happened with Joey.

Crowley will be the next Munster long-term out half imo. (lack of injury permitting)

We'll all need to be a little bit patient though, and wait for the Carbery shareholders to finally pull out.

Fully agree there sexton is so far out in front of any other Irish 10 it’s worrying considering his age …there’s a gap to joey then there a gap back to the rest …Ross Byrne proably leading candidate ….Crowley despite all the talk of him been a 10 has played more top level rugby as a 12 and as mentioned earlier at 15 at ail….

Hopefully he'll be ready for action soon

There's some absolute bullish desire to make Kinghorn their 10 no matter how awful he is. The edinburgh fans have run out of patience with him finally but he's still a darling of the SRU. Hopefully Healy doesn't fall foul of that like others have.

As an aside thanks to all for answering the Okeke query. Had no idea of any of those shenanigans. Missed it all entirely first time around too.

its very hard (nigh on impossible) to stake a realistic claim when carbery gets parachuted straight back into the starting team as soon as he is available. both JJ and healy had shown enough at various stages to warrant keeping the starting jersey and yet carbery would walk straight back into the team - JJ was player of the game against castres at home a few years ago and then gets benched the next week when carbery hasnt played for ages, that doesnt really strike me as picking on merit? .as i've said before, carbery is being made out to be a generational 10 like ROG/sexton when he is simply not, whether this is down to munster coaches or the irfu is unclear (id imagine a combination of both)

as ive also said before, id love for carbery to prove me wrong, but i dont see it happening unfortunately

no ill stick with tom croft tbh, an incredibly overrated player imo

Wilson is such a pain, Max and Marc are easy to listen to.