Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

There were 630,000 asylum claims in Europe in 2021 and around 13,000 in Ireland in 2022 (non Ukraine). No evidence that asylum seekers are favouring Ireland to any degree over other western European countries.

Pretty late for goggle but Ireland has roughly 1% of EU population.

1% of 630000 is 6300, so our 13000 is double EU average and we are only country without a land border and the most westerly?

Do you have the EU 2022 figures? Is the 630000 of 2021 not much higher this year?

The 2022 numbers for not available yet. A quick glance at the figures would suggest that the numbers of asylum seekers are spread fairly evenly around western Europe, some countries take in a bit more than the average and some bit less, but the Irish numbers are not especially high.

Did you see the "?".

I did; I still don’t see your point though.

The percentages you were working out had nothing to do with the claims being put forward. There’s no need to be working out an EU average or anything else. You could still base it on 2021 figures and it wouldn’t make that much of a difference percentage wise because the figures will have increased overall for Europe, not just for Ireland.

In 2021, Germany received about 30% of asylum applications in the EU -

Number of applications per EU country (2021)

In 2021, Germany received over a quarter (30%) of asylum applications in the EU, followed by:

• France (19.1%)
• Spain (10.4%)
• Italy (8.4%)
• Austria (6.1%)

These five EU member states together received almost three quarters of all first-time asylum applications in the EU.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/asylum-applications-eu/

Ireland with its 2% of applications for asylum in Europe in 2021, won’t even be coming anywhere near the 30% of asylum applications Germany has received. The calculation has nothing to do with the existing population in any European country or the EU average of asylum applications received.

2022 figures, or even 2023 figures, won’t be all that different in terms of percentages of asylum applications, and still they won’t have anything to do with the existing population in any European country.

The existing population is irrelevant as to the percentage of applicants? We already know that the figure for applicants is 630,550, which is 100% of applicants. Germany received 30%, Ireland received 2%.

Other than that you’re only making work for yourself. It doesn’t support the claim that Ireland is any more an attractive destination for people seeking asylum than any of the other European countries.

EDIT: I still can’t work out what you’re trying to do by dividing the population of Germany by the population of Ireland and multiplying by 2, it doesn’t give you the figure you’re actually looking for. Divide the number of applicants received by the population of each country, separately, and multiply each answer separately, by 100, if you want to express each answer as a percentage.

Almost No one accidentally ends up in Ireland, There's effort gone in to getting here ,and that includes crossing several other states borders to get here.

I assume most people coming here to claim asylum have arrived from the UK ,

But we do have a duty to assist other European countries that have a crisis

I don't understand why we can't expidate the assylum process,it should be quicker.

But I think we should be helping more people,wether it's refugees coming via Italy/Spain/ or Greece ... not warehousing people but actually helping . Taking people from there or Syria ,camps in turkey or wherever

And that's not easy during a housing crisis in Ireland,

Here you go : for 2021 and 2021, we are only 17th in the EU for accepting asylum seekers

Assuming that a country sizes it's infrastructure for the population that lives there

That’d be a terrible assumption to make seeing as Governments try to forecast population trends decades into the future when planning infrastructure and so forth. It’s why for instance currently we have a lack of resources, but Government forecasts a drop in the demand for those resources, so it’s not going to funnel spending into anything it doesn’t feel it needs to.

Government estimates weren’t inaccurate for the numbers of non-Ukrainian refugees we could accommodate (even discussing the possibility of replacing direct provision with own-door accommodation), but then Ukraine kicked off and the Irish Government found itself having to cope with an unprecedented situation that it couldn’t possibly have predicted.

There was never any surge in non-Ukrainian refugees that Government hadn’t predicted and were prepared for, it was trying to accommodate both Ukrainian and non-Ukrainian refugees was always going to stretch resources. Provisions for refugees didn’t deprive Irish citizens of anything they were never getting in the first place.

Would be a big 'ol sign, but you should make it and get out there.

I wonder how much Derek Blighe paid her to make that story up

#BelieveWomen

There was never any surge in non-Ukrainian refugees that Government hadn’t predicted and were prepared for,

There has been a 467% increase in the number of Applications for International Protection in 2022 compared to 2021.

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1616050071413616640

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1616050071413616640/photo/1