To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Ignore the mountains of evidence and continue living in your pandemic fantasy so.

Is there a mask in the room with you right now?

The scientific evidence doesn't match what the expert says, now, I'm sure if looked into, the context would mean that the expert wasn't saying that at all and that you're leaving out stuff to suit your fantasy, but based on the snippet you posted, I would disagree with the expert.

Do you disagree with the mountains of scientific evidence?

The poster has spent almost 3 years getting everything wrong about the pandemic, it's highly unlikely that it will change now.

Our Constitution and our civil liberties are in good shape in Offaly and the other 25 counties.

We are fortunate to live in one of the most stable democracies in the world.

It's the same misrepresentation we've seen before such as the Danish study into e.g. cloth and surgical masks being worn as PPE.

So they are deliberately misrepresenting that study if they are using it to argue against mask mandates when the study expressly declared it could not be used to make any such conclusions.

If they are talking about "controlling the spread" and referencing that study, they are being entirely dishonest.

They talk about flu, so if they are referencing studies into flu and masks, they are almost certainly referring to the study in the use of cloth masks as PPE by healthcare workers. Again, not relevant to mask mandates.

And they talk about RSV, when it is known that RSV particles are smaller than covid particles and so most masks will not be as effective against it.

I'd like to see the real details of this school study, they use the phrase "voodoo doll of masking", so I don't take a single thing they say as being reliable on face value.

They are using phrases like voodoo doll and citing studies which explicitly stated they should not be using to draw conclusions re mask mandates.

I dont just merely disagree with them. They are engaged in deliberate misrepresentation. They are not giving an honest presentation.

Their opinions are contrary to the advice of every major health authority in the world. So if you are swayed by credentials their opinions are contrary to the scientific consensus.

Oh and one of them is a vet.

Citing the danish study as evidence versus mask mandates when it did not study them is misrepresentation. To cite it and not qualify your remarks are clearly not the actions of someone giving an honest fair balanced assessment of the evidence. It is not simply a difference of opinion. I dont know more but I know a dishonest presentation when I see one.

I have no idea what her agenda is but given that the CDC, WHO, ECDC are stacked with infectious disease specialists and it is their advice re masks that was followed... if you are getting into an argument from authority you have lost in a landslide. And one of them is a vet ffs!

So clearly in terms of collective expertise the CDC etc know more and that is who I rely on for subject matter expertise.

So if you still somehow believe all of those authorities are wrong and this one specialist is right then you are the one who will have to resort to conspiracies.

Anyone would think it was a gas mask these lads had to wear!!

The scientific consensus is by no means set on the efficacy of masks. There are studies that are proving as well as disproving their usefulness. The fact that this debate is ongoing for 3 years now is in itself a proof of that.

If we look at the science on the harm caused by smoking, we can say that a scientific consensus has been established over the years and the scientific community is in agreement as to how harmful to a human health smoking is. There are no new publications that even attempt to disprove that. Smoking causes harm - it is a fact.

The same cannot be said about the masks, and I cannot see how the governments can issue masks mandates based on the science that did not fully go through its natural course of research, discourse and open debate. Until that happens and instead of an illusion of science we truly have a solid scientific consensus, mask mandates cannot be justified. Period.

Recommendation to wear masks is one thing, mandating them is simply wrong.

Do you disagree with the experts who published the multiple studies I referenced?

So far you have referenced a few cranks and an out of context quote from the beginning of the pandemic, one would not call that "research" in any way shape or form (but I can understand your clinging onto it).