Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

That's a White Paper (drawn up by various departments and an Oireachtas Joint Committee) aimed at asylum seekers who are already resident in Ireland, hence the various languages. It says nothing about immigration, border control or making it easier for people to enter the country.

There seems to be a lot of good stuff in it too, including rapidly speeding up the asylum process so that people can have their application accepted or rejected within six months.

I said on this site several years ago that this would become a major issue yet and here we are.

Massive pressure on services, housing and infrastructure causing serious damage to the social contract and indeed social cohesion as the virtue signalling but ultimately unaffected types scream racist and far right (which is laughable in a country like Ireland - we don't even have a "right" anymore, just various degrees of left!) at those who actually think about the consequences of these decisions, or are already living with them.

We have a group of politicians right now who spend their time chasing trends and tweeting to the same delusional types about how good it is for Ireland, how it's our responsibility, how we need to help the poor people. The damage being done by the likes of O'Gorman, McEntee, Coveney and chief tweeter Leo to the future of our society and country is massive and possibly already irreversible.

But it won't be any of them who will be left to deal with it, make no mistake.

The Irish Times suggesting that the old Jury's Hotel in Ballsbridge would be ideal to host asylum seekers and put this as their tagline:

"Less privileged communities are bearing the brunt of the refugee burden, leaving them vulnerable to exploitation by far-right agitators".

I can't see the ultra wealthy residence kicking to much fuss about this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/20/the-old-jurys-hotel-in-ballsbridge-would-make-an-ideal-reception-centre-instead-it-stands-idle/

But all of this seems a good idea. These plans have been drawn up, not by the current government, but by an Oireachtas Joint Committee, a cross party committee comprising members from the Dáil and Seanad. Everyone is agreed that the Direct Provision system is a shambles and that the asylum process moves way too slowly.

I never said everything is immigrants fault.

I said immigration is the biggest strain on both.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking we can keep inviting unlimited numbers into the country when we have nowhere to house them.

Obviously tens of thousands of immigrants coming in a short space of time is going to make matters worse in terms of housing and health provision.

Incorrect.

Refugees are not getting housing.

Former refugees who have residency status and the right to live and work here are being accommodated in the exact same was as "Irish born"

Similarly Irish people who look for social housing in other countries such as the UK, are treated the same way as "locals"

I know a former refugee who came here from Nigeria about 20 years ago. She currently employs 8 people in a management consultancy company.

You'd think by the reaction of the protesters in the working class areas who are a minority of those living in those areas, that all refugees want is free housing and non stop social welfare which is what they have been on for years

You'll find that the unemployment level of former refugees who now have citizen status is extremely low and they are huge contributors to society - unlike the vast majority of the protesters.

This is the kind of success that matters to me and that I've been waiting for.

TDs continuing to pay lip service is your idea of success? I figured it would be more along the lines of what protesters are actually protesting about, which they have yet to achieve, but fair enough, can’t argue with that.

Who’s this “we” business? You and anyone else has no say whatsoever in where refugees are being accommodated (sure isn’t that your whole problem?), so the idea of you having any say where refugees are accommodated just doesn’t seem like something anyone should be concerned about. As for where they are actually being accommodated, you have no idea where anyone else lives or how they feel about anything, let alone the idea they would think like you do regardless of where refugees are accommodated.

There’s no shortage of local residents in any community who are of the opinion that any protests are just embarrassing, and that’s notwithstanding the opinions of protesters from outside these areas, by the people who grew up in these communities -

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/protest-against-asylum-seekers-in-ballymun-embarrassing-says-lord-mayor-42273218.html

Before you say it btw, Caroline Conroy was born, bred and grew up in Ballymun -

https://www.themayor.eu/en/ireland/dublin/mayors/caroline-conroy-479

Yeah so what about the 2500 living here who were let in despite having destroyed their passports, what do you suggest we do with them?

I wish it were true that many of those granted asylum went on to become self-sufficient, but the statistics do not bear that out.

What statistics?

And the contempt you’re seeing btw, which I’m in no doubt you’re fully aware of, is for idiots. It has nothing to do with where anyone lives.

The reason it’s hard for you to understand is pretty simple - people don’t see things the way you do is all.

It's the other way round. We had pretty much zero immigration until the boom of the late 90s, and immigration slowed right down after the economic crash of 2008. People are drawn to a prosperous country - lots of people doesn't make the country prosperous in itself. Ireland's "Celtic Tiger" came from low corporate tax which attracted FDI, an educated workforce and a some years of ruthless cutting to balance the books after the disastrous 80s. This took many years to achieve.

Ireland should welcome immigration, but the right kind - skilled, educated people who are required to fill a particular skills gap. And if that skills gap persists, we should be looking at our own workforce and why it's not equipped to to fill it. We should be looking to attract EU nationals before non-EU nationals because of our membership of the EU. We can take a limited number of those fleeing war. We do not need people who arrive with no documentation, or people with no skills to offer us who will be a drain on the public purse. We don't need people with criminal convictions. We don't need people from safe countries pretending to seek asylum, or those who use English language schools as a means of permanent immigration. We should put the interests of native Irish people first when considering all this, because we are a nation state with a constitution and the country belongs to us, not just anyone who rocks up here. Irish citizenship should be a great privilege and should only be handed out to those who sit a language and culture test. I haven't much time for the "Irish granny" citizenship; it has no use 100 years after independence.

The views above make me "far-right" to many.

Because banks were actual banks back then not gambling dens

Whose narrative? The only narrative on display here is the one you’re trying to create where anyone who isn’t opposed to accommodating refugees mustn’t have refugees being accommodated in their communities? I’ve demonstrated your narrative is clearly lacking in any form of actual evidence to support it.