Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

No matter what happens the aircraft are going to pass over SOMEONE'S house, just preferably over the least amount of houses possible. Using 28R for arrivals would negatively impact far more people than for departures, as northwest county Dublin is far more sparsely populated than the coasts.

My blood was boiling reading a story on Facebook yesterday from Newstalk where a resident was complaining that the noise was preventing them sleeping as it was so bad during the night. The new runways closes at 6pm, nobody challenges these scroungers. I was halfway through writing a withering reply to the auld nutcase before deciding it wasn’t worth risking my employment over.

The current runway layout/plan was published and available since the 1950s, anyone who has bought since then only has themselves to blame. The only thing that has changed was they were both originally intended to be 4,000m long and the aircraft make a fraction of the noise they did back then, and climb a hell of a lot faster and thus are higher.

The bloody planning permission has dictated how the runways are operated. For someone who likes pontificating about stuff you really haven’t done any research at all about what you a bluffing about have you ?!

I’d highly suggest doing your research Plodder if you want people/others to take you seriously.

Plodder, because Heathrow is to the west of a major population center with east/west runways it doesn't matter which Runway is in use, the same number of people will be affected regardless. Dublin is to the North of a major population center, so anything that brings traffic in a southerly direction has a disproportionate effect on people. Not comparable situations. If Dublin had north/south oriented runways then it would be. Far better to bring the traffic north or west into the sticks (relatively). The selfishness and NIMBYism of these residents is astonishing.

This isn't my battle to be honest. So, I'm not going to get dragged into the weeds on the details. But, I'd point out the south runway was used exclusively for departures (obviously) until the new runway was built. So, it would hardly be revolutionary for it to be used some of the time with the new runway.

As I said already. There has been a plan for a runway for a long time but the operating procedures came after these houses were built. The DAA went back to the well to get planning conditions changed. So residents are just as entitled to seek changes to be made

.. such as moving departures to the south runway because it is located further away from housing or some kind of alternating system.

This just keeps going around and around in circles. To the East of the North runway is a densely populated area. (Portmarnock/Malahide)

To the South of the Airport is Dublin City (the most densely populated area in the country).

To the North and West is sparsely populated.

Can planes avoid every house or area on departure - no. Can the airport be moved - no. Does it make sense to fly over more densely populated areas because a few people who live beside the airport that has been there for 80 years don’t want noise - no.

Please remember that when we will have those calm days in the summer and sea breezes, 10R will be use for departures, out over to the East, passing the North City straight out past Howth. Will these people complain? No, they know that they live near the airport and that living on an island is the most important place in this country for getting on and off said island.

Can we please split the SIDs out to their own thread please, it deserves it at this stage

The daa went back to change the planning conditions on operating times for the new runway, and to move from a numerical cap on movements over night to a noise “budget” approach. It is not seeking to change the preferential use of runways, which basically is minimising the noise for Portmarnockonians

The point is that An Bord Pleanala set the operating “preferences”, so you probably need to consider the number of people under the departure from 28R versus the number under the departure from 10L; and of course they are also the comparisons for an approach to 10L v an approach to 28R.

I think it’s about avoiding new populations receiving new noise; if you see what I mean. Quite how the bias in favour of Portmarnock and indeed Malahide came about goes back to the original planning approval in 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quota_Count_system provides an explanation of the quota count system, based on that used in the UK

The buildings on one side of the road are recent enough, but the other side has been there 10-15 years I'd say.

Then again, if it's the case that these plans have been around since the 1950's then most of Portmarnock and Malahide were built after that.

Also, it's clearly the case that residents in the Station Rd area had no choice but to accept the present flight paths when there was only one runway, but now there are two. So, there are more options and ways of doing things.

1969 was when the parallel runways were first described, including a map. I think they were included in the County Development Plan in 1971.

Indeed it is here on this page. The map is dated October 1968. Amazing to think that they were thinking about parallel runways 55 years ago! A rare example of forward thinking in Ireland when it comes to infrastructure. Credit to the daa where it is due for holding onto the land for 28R all these years. Current noise issues aside it has been a pretty smooth project thus far, which the likes of LHR can only dream of when it comes to a new runway there.

https://www.dublinairport.com/blog/2019/06/26/history-of-dublin-airport-s-north-runway

In many respects it was indeed but remember all the green belt rows during the 80s and 90s as Malahide and Baldoyle looked like they would eventually meet?

The runways may have been planned but the planning for the terminals have been largely made up over time leading to today's ramp congestion.

One part may have been well planned but as for the rest? Let's not even mention a rail link (I just did🤭).