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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There should be an emergency law passed. Any airline which disgorges any chancer with no documentation has to take him back to where he boarded.

    And feck the EU and what they think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭DaithiMa


    I hate to break it to Mike Allen but O'Gorman is fully responsible for this absolute sh1teshow.

    He's now put out a tweet asking those in safe countries not to come. What the hell were we doing taking people in from safe countries when we barely have room for genuine Ukrainian refugees!

    I think it's pretty clear at this stage that Roddy is out of his depth and someone with a bit of common sense needs to take over his position. Although finding common sense in any of the ruling parties might be too big of an ask.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I think it's pretty clear at this stage that Roddy is out of his depth and someone with a bit of common sense needs to take over his position.

    There's not one person in FG, FF, or the GP, who'll do anything sensible, so where exactly will you get this mythical person from? This is the problem, the Irish state is literally full of many minds, that might as well be one. They all sing the same songs and dance the same dances, if they didn't, they wouldn't be in any of those parties, as they'd be ran in no time. Being a "good" politician in Ireland means doing what's good for politicians in Ireland, not the people.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    O'Gorman is not directly responsible for immigration or the numbers entering the country - his remit is to manage the Direct Provision system and also accommodation for the Ukrainian people.

    Mike Allen thinks it's the Cabinet who are messing up with their lack of forward planning around accommodation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭DaithiMa


    Yes, and the direct provision system has completely capitulated under his watch.

    Like who could have predicted the huge surge in applications after O'Gorman himself promised own door accommodation within 4 months. For that alone he should be removed from the position, let alone for what he has done (or more accurately hasn't done) in the last few months.

    Somebody has to take responsibility for this situation and as you said, when it comes to the management of direct provision the buck stops with him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    It was O'Gorman who sent out the multi language messages about coming here, it was him to who announced the end of DP, and the new system which would literally get them housing in months, which they'd have a right to for years. Why oh why are you just repeating what someone said, instead of looking at the realities and making a judgment based on that? The state in general is completely to blame, but he's playing a very important role in that too.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well I don't know how you can say they're completely separate. Surely more people coming into the country with no accommodation is going to impact on existing services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The government basically telling single men to not bother coming here. Disappointing far right policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    All the planning in the world and there will still be a problem.

    The issue is capacity. The sheer volume of people. We don't have the space for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭US3


    We're not far-right , we've just been right so far



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,305 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    It's amazing how it's nobody's fault all of sudden.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Apparently a riot in city west last night, very violent. 

    what kind of absolute scum are coming into this country???



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It isn’t just mandatory registration of residential property not designed for self catering. It is mandatory registration of all properties available for short term lets.

    You say local residents should get a say if houses in their area are offered as short term lets. Local residents didn’t get a say in hundreds of asylum seekers being housed in their areas. Do you not see the double standards?

    You mention people who have been illegally letting properties for years. What laws were they breaking? The planning requirement for RPZ areas was only introduced in mid 2019.


    Do you think the 6 months grace period is due to leniency or due to the planning system not being able to process the 30,000 planning applications that will be required?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    few videos online of the riot in city west last night. Awful violence.

    seems to have gone on for ages before security arrived - maybe they were afraid to intervene and I don’t blame them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Hooked


    What kind of scum? Who even knows... We are importing THOUSANDS of unknowns, with ZERO screening and no clue of where these cnuts are coming from or what they are capable of...

    Take the "Wexford Man" who raped a poor 23 year old FOUR times in the news yesterday... a dirty Albanian refugee is what he is. Not a Wexford Man. The media are deliberately misleading us!



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 palette


    It is completely out of hand.

    Now a majority of Ukrainians are stating in advance they have no intention of going home. Who saw that coming? Everyone.

    Add in the neverending arrival of more people, and where are we going?

    If it stopped tomorrow, how long would it take to alleviate the housing crisis and every other bit of infrastructure creaking at the seams? A decade, just to catch up to the regular crisis levels? And this is without a recession or economic correction?

    And all the while it is to be paid for by Irish people, while their own quality of life largely goes down the river?

    This has been the game of the housing crisis since way before any war in Ukraine. A post earlier showing millions of psn numbers handed out to foreign nationals since 2002. The sheer ignorance required to disconnect the housing crisis and all the easily found and checked governmental data is untold.

    A monster is looming over this country, a monster that was created through pure greed. How it manifests is anybodys guess. But something is going to break, some fundamental, society bearing thing is going to shatter into pieces and anything could be on the cards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Created by greed, foolishness and the need to be the bestest boys and girls in the EU class and world stage



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo



    You mention Freedom Party and young professionals with degrees in Politics and Philosophy out of Trinity and UCD who are in PR.

    I would say these are the exact people we need nowhere near power.

    Our academic institutions are turning out the same no cop on graduates as the US and UK at the moment.

    Maybe if they were of the Jordan Peterson mould, but most are often just eejits parrotting the same shyte as vested NGOs.

    Besides the party doesn't even mention immigration or border control anywhere on it's front page.

    It is tied in with EU exit.

    FFS are they fooking muppets, Brexit shoudl be salutory lesson on that.

    Anyway it is boloxology to believe that we have no control and it is all the fault of EU.

    Hungary prove that.


    Garrett was the exact reason I started voting for FG, he was socially light years ahead of FF.

    Then again he did have Alice Glenn in the ranks.

    We can't rely on FG, they are now infested with half wits like McEntee, Harris and Leo himself who are more interested in media likes than normal people.

    I have wondered if a reworked Veritas with toned down religious and EU rhetoric might work.

    There are votes there to be had.

    One thing that is needed is a couple of figureheads, ones in particular hat wouldn't give a flying fook about their media standing.

    Any new centre right party needs to have it's own media presense because what passes for Irish media (print, radio, tv) is now only interested in selling the place out, literally selling it out.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 palette


    During the last recession in leprechaun economics there was a point where it was stated clearly that there was enough money to pay social welfare for another 2 or 3 weeks. And that was with more and more joining the queue by the day. A lot of people.

    Can you imagine when that comes around again? With the utter transparency of how things stand now?

    A powder keg. A powder keg loaded with more gunpowder each and every passing day. Plain and simple.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Roderick O'Gorman is a member of this Cabinet. Is he afraid to say anything at Cabinet meetings or what?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    And according the the refugee NGO guy they had different cultures close together which is a recipe for disaster. Except when it isn't all the rest of the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Doctors and engineers, lots of doctors and engineers.

    They will help pay your pension don't you know.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,756 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    When refugees arrive at a port of entry as of now where do they go? Will they just be roaming around in the cold?

    Seems that 40 years of feckless immigration policy is coming to a head now.

    We are in a crisis which is becoming a societal crisis and it's happening by the week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    The political class have a love of promising great things with taxpayer's money. Between it ending up with the pals in mysterious ways and the bottomless pit and disaster which is the Bertie Monster aka the HSE, there is either not the money or the wit for decent delivery. In fact the incompetence of the government is making people struggling with putting or getting a roof over their head angry at people (like UA refugees) who have a reason to be here. Roderick O'Gorman is patently not up to his role, altho that could be said for most of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Miadhc


    Look at Termini in Rome and the surrounding areas for a glimpse of what Dublin will look like this summer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,504 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Actually I've never seen a weaker generation of politicians in my lifetime....not one of them have an ounce of principle, that is saying something given our political history. I've never seen a more incompetent Cabinet!!!

    I mean the leader of the Green party, the Minster for the Environment...said recently that gay people and women will be more adversely affected by Climate Change. Think about how stupid that is, does he think he is in a room full of Gender studies students...no one is swallowing that garbage!!!

    We have sanitary products installed in the men's bathrooms in Leinster house.

    We have the worst housing crisis in our history (that has been gathering steam for at least a decade) and no means to alleviate it!!

    A health system on the brink of collapse!

    Who voted for all of this??



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 palette


    I don't think so. There are always limits.

    With more and more people ending up in hotels and on the streets (I saw that 50 homeless died over the last while), and that's with a supposedly great economy.

    Add in zero prospects of employment with an economic correction, I just cannot realistically see no reaction.

    Not that a recession is needed, it'll just add an extra punch to it all.

    As for manifestation, who 10 years ago would have forseen an immigration crisis where they're passing them around between schools and hotels and practical famine villages for the sheer numbers, and with no hope of change on the horizon?

    Just so, don't be quick to dismiss the logical reactions that can and will happen in the next 10 years.

    Action finally meets reaction. How else was this to end? Don't bother asking any of the enablers of this fiasco, they never had a plan beyond counting their pennies today. Pennies, I may add, that'll be just as quickly taken from them when the bell tolls.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Drivetime covering the Refugee situation.. Missed the start, caught the last interview with a male, said he arrived yesterday from the UK through Belfast, he's very disappointed as he doesn't like the cold and he has no accommodation provided, when he ended the conversation he said he had been living in the UK for a while and he CHOSE Ireland because of the economy... The usual emoting from the interviewer and O Hadhra, for frigging heavens sake journalists I know it doesn't effect ye cos yere well insulated from it, but it sure as hell effects a lot of us, do yere job, ask a few questions maybe, it's maddening, enough of this nonsense... But but look over there a few thousand euro to put up a few posters terrible, terrible entirely



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,756 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Well, there is literally no where for them to go now so you'd expect transit hubs like Connolly, Heuston etc to be the obvious zones where things may get real pretty quick.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭bertieinexile


    You mention Freedom Party and young professionals with degrees in Politics and Philosophy out of Trinity and UCD who are in PR.

    I would say these are the exact people we need nowhere near power.

    Our academic institutions are turning out the same no cop on graduates as the US and UK at the moment.

    Maybe if they were of the Jordan Peterson mould, but most are often just eejits parrotting the same shyte as vested NGOs.

    Besides the party doesn't even mention immigration or border control anywhere on it's front page.

    It is tied in with EU exit.



    They would be members of the - hard to believe it exists - conservative element in the Universities. In Trinity it would be centred around The Burkean.

    Their views would be similar to what is being said here. Nothing flaky.

    But the fact that you haven't heard about them shows how underwhleming their efforts so far have been.

    Now that their time is here, no one knows about them. By the time they get themselves out there (if they get themselves out there) more mainstream and professional parties will have adopted some version of the message for electoral profit.


    Do not sully the name of Alice Glenn!



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