Tesla Model Y

Lads if yer happy justifying lack of sensors as not an issue grand but I have a use case.

I don't drive a Tesla but I have surround view in my ioniq 5. I turned off USS as was beeping traffic. Normally turn it on again when driving. One morning a truck was delivering oil so rushed out to move the car. In a hurry didn't turn on USS but said I'd manage with a dirty camera. Didn't see a rock sticking out of one of the flower beds and was a tight squeeze.

Ended up with a very slow fender bender with now a small scrap low down on my front wing (plastic cracked too). Will cost the bones of 700 euro to fix replace the panel.

Lesson learned leave on my USS. I much prefer this to the lesson learned get out and clean all my cameras prior to having to quickly move the car.

What were you driving, big EV with weird angles as I've driven for years too without any issues, but the angles in modern ev have a number of blind spots I couldn't rely on mirrors alone. The model Y has a very high rear and limited view wouldn't fancy parking just with mirrors.

Your happy enough but its just a bit of context there are use cases where USS are useful.

If not build cleaning cameras in to tight parking routine.

I think this is what the rear view in a model Y is like, rear view mirror in my ioniq 5 is practically useless I only use it to keep an eye on the kids

Agreed, they're definitely useful but not infallible.

A trade in value would be nice I’m still waiting on one, looking to move from a 09/22 MSM M3, prepared to take some class of a hit but hoping the cost to change is still in the realm of what I deem reasonable, if not I’ll just keep the 3 very happy with it overall, but the hatchback would be useful as would the extra space for holidays etc

Whats the chances of getting a test drive in a LR MY in Sandyford tomorrow ? Tried booking a slot tonight but nothing showing available until Thursday. Is it worth ringing them in the morning or is it likely they are just booked up.

Likely to be about 28.5K (if RWD). If you are intent on switching you need to seriously consider sale outside Tesla. That may not be what you want to hear but best to manage expectations.

You have to get realistic here. Tesla will not offer more "realistic" valuations closer to collection time. They don't want your car, even if it is a Tesla. They are being overwhelmed with offers of second hand Model 3 cars from owners upgrading to Model Y

The like of zucars etc. don't want your car either, unless it is dirt cheap / they have a buyer lined up. They got badly burnt on Friday 13th and the lost a fortune off the value of their stock.

You have 3 options:

1. sell your car privately
2. accept the low ball offers you get from Tesla / other traders
3. not buy your new Model Y and keep your old car

FWIW I'm in the same boat myself

Wonder will we see a second hand M3 sold in the low 20's before March?

Tesla is very definitely interested in your used Tesla if they can retail it and buy it off you at a good price - it’s reported that selling used cars is already a multi billion dollar and profitable business for them in the U.S. and they will grow this model globally. They are controlling the market too by stopping leased Tesla’s being bought by the leader’s so they can resell them directly.

We are dealing with a funny market right now where the price cut has seemed to stop used sales in Tesla. If the prices increase/ grant disappears you will likely see trade-in values increase to a more normal and predictable level with maybe 15% / 20% depreciation pa depending on model.

If I had a newish Tesla I’d be hanging onto it

I don't think it is going to happen unless someone is desperate to sell. I got the lowest offer of 24k for my 2019 Kona but the trader is more keen to buying than I'm to selling. There is still huge interest for EVs, queues for new ones and a dip in price gets more people interested which increases demand. On the other hand the announced reduction of grants may make buyers of new nervous. Things will settle but not that low. March is only 5 weeks away.

I'm trying to decide what to do in the unlikely event that both our RWD and LR reservations are delivered during Q1/Q2. Although the LR might be more fun, it's mid-range acceleration that I'm more interested in. There are only a couple of RWD vs LR 'Drag Races' online and its hard to draw any conclusions from them. I can't find any figures online, all Bjorn's stats start from 0. But the RWD mid-range acceleration seemed adequate during our test drive. I'll take a test drive in a LR if it ever looked like that reservation will be delivered in time.

The other consideration is range. Obviously depends on the individual, but in our case the probable 60km extra range is a bigger than 20% difference in reality. We regularly do a 320-350km daily round trip and the LR I expect, would handle that in all conditions whereas the RWD would sometimes require an en route charge to get home. Nice to be able to do door to door without interrupting the trip. For this reason more than the acceleration/AWD I had been leaning towards the LR.

However, this morning I stumbled across this graph, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7365597/ and it looks like after 500 EFCs (about 4 years for us), the LR's NCA battery capacity will have dropped to 80-85%, whereas the LFP's LFP will still have 95-100%. This 15% differential would almost completely negate the LR's initial range advantage over the RWD. We would intend keeping the car for 5-10 years so this is a consideration for us.

Finally, from Bjorn's charging data, I don't see any difference between LFP and NCA when DC charging on a long trip, both types tail off equally.

Maybe before March 2025 ;-)

Are we still worrying about battery degradation in new EVs bought in 2023? Forget about it folks, it's not an issue. Except in the Nissan Leaf.

faster charger and slightly better warranty

edit:which, on review, has nothing to do with your question!