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I'd say they are conserving and accumulating ammo for the next offensive.

Just seen this graph of committed aid to Ukraine by country and Germany is the highest value of committed contributions after the US. Another graph shows total EU committed aid is after overtaking that from the USA. I'm not aware of what percentage of this committed aid has been delivered already. I think I read somewhere that some of the russian misinformation efforts in recent times have been designed to try open up rifts between the countries supporting Ukraine and it would not surprise me if some of the German bashing going on in this thread has its origins in some of this misinformation being taken as fact.

@Jinglejangle69

It's not just Germany though. The entire West have been asleep at the wheel for far too long.

General Zaluzhny himself was very clear last year, he needed heavy weapons to go on the offensive. I had said the exact same thing here even before that. Even the Russians realised this. After their defeat at Kharkiv, they got a lot more serious about mobilization, building defensive lines, procuring more equipment, and going heavier into a war economy. Unfortunately the West have been thumb twiddling for a substantial portion of this time.

I fear we have lost valuable time in ending this war. If Ukraine had gotten some of the newly promised stuff last year, they would probably be in a position to use it now. Instead they have to wait for delivery, get crews and logistics set up, training, etc. It's not the end of the world, but time and lives have been lost because of it.

I just hope the powers that be are going to fall into this same trap of dawdling. Behind the scenes, they really need to be talking about Ukrainian needs over the next year. I will go with what Zuluzhny himself asked for so you can get an idea of the scale of what he asked for in December.

Wonder what all of these orcs walking through to fields only to get anilated by Ukrainian artillery and drones are going to feel when they see the modern IFVs and tanks coming their way day and night,

For the last few months we've seen less and less operational Russian military vehicles operational in Ukraine,most of the current fighting is been done on foot,for all of the mobilisations all the vehicles we seen from the Russians are on trains going to and from Belarus,

I think the scales are going to tip firmly in Ukraines favor over the next few months,

Now tanks and other modern armour is starting to roll into ukraine what other weapons will come next, ATACMs ,GLSDBs, Drones and aircraft?

The huge difference between the two is that half of the German population rejects supplying the Ukraine with such weapons. But it was always going to come this way. Germany has become a pathetic sh1tshow for some time now and has that American dick so far up their arse it's nearly at their tonsils.

That's Renault cars gone. Dacia cars gone. Citreon cars gone. That's the city of St. Petersberg levelled.

Be german next.

Someone buy shares in Lada tout suite.

Just reporting on whats going on back in reality, outside of this 1 very small corner.

Some rumors from German papers that tomorrow is the big day. That agreement with Poland happens, and leopards are sent.

If so, its going to be mighty hard for the remaining screechers to keep up the 'Germany bad' act.

There is this other chart taken off front page of that Kiel Institute website (so same source as your ones) but I think perhaps excluding military aid (I have not read notes on it) so not telling whole story:

The total US "aid" given may be far less weighted to the future commitments I imagine.

Approx 1/2 of it (can see from other charts on the site) is value of weapons they have sent to Ukraine. I think they announce it, and these weapons (which will mostly be stored away) come out of the cupboard and go off reasonably quickly in the weeks after so none of that would be future "commitments".

The US is still the "arsenal of democracy" and all that, it has weaponry of all types available to send Ukraine coming out of its ears. I don't think Germany, or any of the European countries (or the collective EU) can be expected to do what they do, or match this level of support even were they minded to.

These sorts of charts also omit fact that the war is hurting and imposing costs on Europe's economy far more than the US, in multiple ways, but of course that's probably another good argument for EU countries to increase their aid to Ukraine more (certainly the military aid, to try and end the war faster on better terms for Ukraine).

How long will it take to get the Leopards to Ukraine, get the logistics chains in place and get the crews trained up?

Will it be 3 months or longer before they are used at the front line?

I honestly think the crews are trained and ready to go (also support and logistics) but tactical deployment won't happen for 10 to 14 weeks.

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We know they don't have a lack of manpower,or on the front lines or other echelons such as maintainers,like that support vehicles will likely part of any package they are given,the biggest issue will be co-ordination of the forces so far we are hearing 4 different tanks that all different to the next even though they are similar in looks and designs,

If anything they should just concentrate on the Leopards they have the biggest numbers across the eu in both operational tanks and decommissioned or mothballed , bringing Abrams, Challenger, and lecleric tanks and swedish Stridsvagn 122 tanks Will over complicate things, maintenance, support,and training on 5 tanks,4 different IVFs and other vehicles,

It makes more sense having a coherent action plan,

1 main tank ,

1 main ifv

Then other vehicles Strykers , Maraders CV90s Which ever combination gives them best offensive Capabilities and ease of operation

Oh now I dont take this small thread to be a consistently very reliable reflection of reality. At times its full of petty squabbling over semantics. Facts arent accepted by some users, and flippant accusations (of bots, Rusbots, Mick Wallace, etc) are made to those who dont parrot the exact views of a few rather dictatorial users. At times as a means of trying to save their face.

(Ive added a signature which outright condems Russia and Putin unconditionally to dissuade such lame accusations, Russia is 100% in the wrong, the Kremlin is corrupt and immoral, Putin is a war criminal)

As others have said theres a weird Germanophobia theme pervading certain corners in here, sensational and akin to something you might find coming from the lowbrow likes of the daily express, the daily heil, conspiracy forums or Farage. Real pub toilet door stuff.

But it does have its positives too. More reasoned users providing actual sourced facts, and reliable updates as the situation unfolds. There are good contributors (none of the good 'spot on' ones displaying any of the 'Germany bad' bollox). And its good to see the universal condemnation of Russias aggression among my fellow Irish people. Its another small alternative source of information outside of the larger, more prominent sites.

Ps. @odyssey06 you said earlier that Ireland did not supply non-lethal aid to Ukraine, but we most certainly did. Hope you can now accept this fact graciously.

We haven't had mention of the Russian Su57 super Stealth next generation fighter ( neither of the above) being deployed to Ukraine,I believe there was a single claim but I don't think it's actually been flown anywhere near ukraine or Belarus even .....