Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Every home a Ukrainian or Asulym Seeker takes is a home off the market for people here on VISAs, Irish people, EU people working here etc.

I mean thats just basic, at a minimum it's reducing supplying this increasing rent/purchase prices

Tide is turning though, the Eu is now looking to change the rules around returning economic migrants, as only 21% ever return to their countries of origin even when safe to do so. We can’t take in the world and as we can see in Ireland, it causes other problems, some of which we are only starting to see.

I have 0 problem with war refugees looking for help.

What are you talking about?

The houses are in a charitable trust which ran by the Church of Ireland which maintains and them and houses adults and families in 23 of them.

8 of them were empty and in a very poor state and in need of extensive renovation. This was done by the DIY SOS series. The charity receives 8 more finished houses at a cost of zero, the price to do this privately would have been astronomical as you are dealing with listed properties that are 250 years old.

So the idea the houses were firstly in the supply chain and then subsequently disappeared is absolute nonsense.

I was responding to a poster who asked if a single Irish person lost out on a house due to Ukrainians

Again, they didn't. Those 8 houses would not be habitable if not for the war.

 it doesn’t matter what way it’s sliced the fact is supply in one form or, another charity/rent/purchase etc, is being impacted by Ukrainian and other inward migration

Yes in this case impacted spectacularly positively, the charity now has 8 more houses hopefully for another 200 years which it can use to help unfortunate people in dire straights which it has done for decades.

Who makes those decisions, you? By scrolling through anyone’s social media accounts looking for anything which you think might support your narrative? How’s that not a con-job, exactly? Portraying yourself as an immigration official who has the authority to make those sorts of determinations.

There’s nobody affecting anyone else by referring to either asylum seekers, refugees, economic migrants, etc, there’s no such thing as actual refugees or genuine refugees either - anyone is either granted refugee status, or they’re not. It isn’t determined on the basis of scrolling through anyone’s social media, the people who actually have the authority to make these decisions have better information available to them than some numbskull with a megaphone and a chip their shoulder.

Moving from safe country to safe country looking for someone to accept their asylum application while getting free accomadation and meals in the countries? Not exactly like young back packers travelling the world at their own expense?

Well it certainly won’t be in the apartments/houses or gardens of these advocates

And that’s because by and large, they’ll full of shíte and only trying to make themselves look better than everyone else by their calling for unlimited numbers.

Supply of houses is being impacted by everyone in the country looking for a house. If half a million Irish born people are currently looking to buy or rent a house, that is also seriously impacting on the housing / accommodation situation. This constant linking in this thread and elsewhere of housing shortages to immigration is far from helpful.

Glastonbury is 900 acres and can facilitate 210,000 people

the Phoenix Park is 1500 acres so could easily hold 80,000

just treat it as one very long festival

sorted

If half a million Irish people are looking, they are looking because they couldn't find in the first place, and they couldn't find in the first place because of competition with the state and all the newly arrived immigrants in the last 10 years. State policies have failed these people, which has causes the problem, yet in your eyes those Irish people are the guilty too, guilty of not being able to find somewhere to rent/own? You clearly hold this odd internationalist view, that immigrants have the exact same rights to a home as natives, and legally it's true, but it shouldn't be. Natives should have preferences to homes, that shouldn't be considered a radical thing. It's our nation, built by our ancestors, that our families have lived in for hundreds and hundreds of years, and that should at least give us a right to be homed first.

I tried getting accommodation recently in a tourist hot spot on the West coast, and I struggled to even get a viewing. I eventually got one, but the landlord decided to give it to a local instead. While I would have loved to get it, I understand exactly why they'd give a preference to their own first. Looking after your own should be a staple, and not something considering bad or wrong.

To be confirmed, but the location for next Saturday's "Dublin Says No" protest might be amusing.

Something everyone could get behind.

Adding Direct Provision residents into the market has a displacement effect for low to medium income families currently in rented accommodation

O'Gorman's plan essentially created an environment where homeless individuals and families in emergency accommodation or at risk of homelessness are directly competing for rental accommodation with those currently in Direct Provision and it was inevitable, given the constraints in housing supply, that one of the impacts was to increase the monthly numbers reported by Government for those individuals and families in emergency accommodation and experiencing homelessness.

The plan also means that local authorities have to use their own stock, which was meant for social housing applicants, to meet a mandatory requirement to house asylum seekers.

They're not my words. That's the response two years ago from Darragh O'Brien's Department of Housing to Roderic O'Gorman's plans to grant amnesties and own door accommodation to everyone in Direct Provision.

There's loads more here.

https://assets.gov.ie/121982/4937e649-414a-40c8-a682-d600f103da79.pdf

And those stark warnings were issued based on an expected 3,500 per annum figure for new asylum seekers.

At the time "Green Party Minister of State for Community Development Joe O’Brien accused the Department of Housing of “not being very collegiate” and warned that its language would pit vulnerable people against each other.

“Of course it’s their job to flag barriers and difficulties with [the Day report], but I think they’ve crossed the line in going further and pushing back against the proposed policy. What they’re doing is very unconstructive,” he said.

He was “surprised and disappointed” by the department’s opposition.

Hopefully the following will help focus attention on the actual topic of this thread - the effect the surge in non-Ukrainian refugees has had on accommodation for Ukrainian refugees.

We can't have that discussion without knowing the breakdown in terms of numbers of Ukrainians vs non Ukrainians arriving month by month, country by country, and especially the trends over time. In particular the PPS numbers issued for same.

Sadly, and for reasons I'm sure we can only guess at, while the Department of Social Protection makes those numbers available in theory, they do so in a format that makes it rather difficult to actually work out the numbers in practice.

Fear not. Someone has done the State some service.

Here are all those Departmental figures, but broken down and with a searchable and filterable front end.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiMTRjNDVlZjYtMmM0Mi00YjgyLTg1ZDYtZTQ4MjBiZTRiMWUzIiwidCI6IjdmOTJhNGU1LWNiMjAtNGU0Mi1hY2EwLTlkMDhkYzM3OWVhYSJ9

Very impressive and very useful. Thank you that man or woman.

You may not be building it but a developer did. If it's a new build then the cost of the materials used to build it will affect the asking price.