Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

If half a million Irish people are looking, they are looking because they couldn't find in the first place, and they couldn't find in the first place because of competition with the state and all the newly arrived immigrants in the last 10 years. State policies have failed these people, which has causes the problem, yet in your eyes those Irish people are the guilty too, guilty of not being able to find somewhere to rent/own? You clearly hold this odd internationalist view, that immigrants have the exact same rights to a home as natives, and legally it's true, but it shouldn't be. Natives should have preferences to homes, that shouldn't be considered a radical thing. It's our nation, built by our ancestors, that our families have lived in for hundreds and hundreds of years, and that should at least give us a right to be homed first.

I tried getting accommodation recently in a tourist hot spot on the West coast, and I struggled to even get a viewing. I eventually got one, but the landlord decided to give it to a local instead. While I would have loved to get it, I understand exactly why they'd give a preference to their own first. Looking after your own should be a staple, and not something considering bad or wrong.

To be confirmed, but the location for next Saturday's "Dublin Says No" protest might be amusing.

Something everyone could get behind.

Adding Direct Provision residents into the market has a displacement effect for low to medium income families currently in rented accommodation

O'Gorman's plan essentially created an environment where homeless individuals and families in emergency accommodation or at risk of homelessness are directly competing for rental accommodation with those currently in Direct Provision and it was inevitable, given the constraints in housing supply, that one of the impacts was to increase the monthly numbers reported by Government for those individuals and families in emergency accommodation and experiencing homelessness.

The plan also means that local authorities have to use their own stock, which was meant for social housing applicants, to meet a mandatory requirement to house asylum seekers.

They're not my words. That's the response two years ago from Darragh O'Brien's Department of Housing to Roderic O'Gorman's plans to grant amnesties and own door accommodation to everyone in Direct Provision.

There's loads more here.

https://assets.gov.ie/121982/4937e649-414a-40c8-a682-d600f103da79.pdf

And those stark warnings were issued based on an expected 3,500 per annum figure for new asylum seekers.

At the time "Green Party Minister of State for Community Development Joe O’Brien accused the Department of Housing of “not being very collegiate” and warned that its language would pit vulnerable people against each other.

“Of course it’s their job to flag barriers and difficulties with [the Day report], but I think they’ve crossed the line in going further and pushing back against the proposed policy. What they’re doing is very unconstructive,” he said.

He was “surprised and disappointed” by the department’s opposition.

Hopefully the following will help focus attention on the actual topic of this thread - the effect the surge in non-Ukrainian refugees has had on accommodation for Ukrainian refugees.

We can't have that discussion without knowing the breakdown in terms of numbers of Ukrainians vs non Ukrainians arriving month by month, country by country, and especially the trends over time. In particular the PPS numbers issued for same.

Sadly, and for reasons I'm sure we can only guess at, while the Department of Social Protection makes those numbers available in theory, they do so in a format that makes it rather difficult to actually work out the numbers in practice.

Fear not. Someone has done the State some service.

Here are all those Departmental figures, but broken down and with a searchable and filterable front end.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiMTRjNDVlZjYtMmM0Mi00YjgyLTg1ZDYtZTQ4MjBiZTRiMWUzIiwidCI6IjdmOTJhNGU1LWNiMjAtNGU0Mi1hY2EwLTlkMDhkYzM3OWVhYSJ9

Very impressive and very useful. Thank you that man or woman.

You may not be building it but a developer did. If it's a new build then the cost of the materials used to build it will affect the asking price.

You'd wonder about the people who took Ukrainians into their home. Surely the penny has dropped that there is nowhere for these people to go now, next year or anytime, and that's not withstanding the stated fact that a majority of them have already said they don't intend to go back to Ukraine ever. Talk about strife.

So now that it's stated fact, incontrovertible, that there is no more room for anyone in Ireland, what now?

What's the plan?

An immediate freeze on inward migration is the only sensible option. Emphasis on "immediate". But I'd be happy to hear alternatives.

Do you know who doesn't need housing in this country? People who live in other countries.

Zero materials needed, zero time needed, zero money needed, zero land needed, zero regulation needed, zero planning permission needed, zero builders needed.

It's quite the economic wizardry.

When those people move here, into a country with practically zero available housing, then all the above are needed and its insanely expensive.

And that's how we got to where we are.

Let me try to extract something useful from this. God loves a trier.

Like a lot of other people we can both see something different about the Finglas protest led by Finglas local, Graham Carey.

The fact that it's different than the other protests takes from the idea that these are all centrally controlled by some shady organisation.

My worry about the Finglas protest is exactly the opposite of yours. I worry about the lack of organisation and control. Especially since it's being led by the fiery Graham. Who looked for a men only protest. In Finglas.

Graham showed up in East Wall in the early days, made a speech and, immediately after, East Wall came up with the no speeches, no party banners rule. He's seen as out there - not as out there as Gemma O'Doherty, but out there. I don't know anyone who'd describe themselves as a supporter of Graham - he's a one man show.

Finglas seem keenly aware of how counterproductive any violence would be.

But again there's that lack of control and organisation.

There's also a genuine, locally driven, anger.

They seem to be playing with fire but so far it's being handled.

Personally I think it's not worth the risk. They'd be better off with the more low key protests you see everywhere else. But again that's what happens with grassroots protest. No one's in charge.

I think if you could step away from the script that needs to see them as "Far Right" puppets you'd have a better insight in to what's going on.

So it's a plain fact of the matter that there is no more accommodation available in the country. As stated by politicians themselves, as witnessed by the shambles of stuffing people into the most inappropriate places such as schools.

De facto. Incontrovertible.

So when is the government going to freeze inward migration in an actionable way?

And if that isn't the proper response, let's hear the alternatives.