Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Its like a parallel universe here where people are trying to argue that no matter how many immigrants arrive in the country whether its 100,000 , 500,000,1,000,000 whatever it has no effect on Irish peoples chances of getting a house or acessing health care, education etc. I understand they believe in open borders but surely they must realise a small country like Ireland can only take in so many.

You can find old threads on here, where many of us were of the view that no matter how bad things got, there'd still be people defending this stuff. Essentially there's no conditions, no bad state, where they'll admit that this stuff have been a disaster for the nation. They'll literally never admit defeat no matter how obvious it becomes.

East Wall protest 5pm today.

City West protest 7pm today.

Ballymun protest 5.30pm tomorrow.

Clondalkin protest 6pm tomorrow.

Big protest in Dublin on Saturday.

How much credit can the protestors claim for the change in public sentiment and change in language from government? It's an open question. The internal contradictions and lack of realism in immigration policy, not to mention the laws of physics, account for a lot of it.

How much credit will the protestors be given for the change in mood and subsequent changes in policy. Quite a lot I'd guess.

Huh? Do you think new houses just appear. 😕

They have to built with building materials by a builder. Same with the renovation of existing homes.

If there is less new homes, existing properties become more expensive.

This is basic stuff TBF.

Remember the covid threads? Where people warned you about the economic effect that these policies would have? And you, as you always do, downplayed the threat over and over again. Now you're here a few years later posting links about rising costs. I'd say that it's unbelievable, but sadly it's not.

You’re on here virtue signalling as much as anyone else, it’s a silly accusation that’s aimed at anyone expressing a difference of opinion to your own, ie - meaningless.

With that out of the way, the argument is so simple it should sound familiar - it’s similarly framed as the way in which asylum seekers are being portrayed as just a numbers game to suggest “Ireland is full”. It’s not, there’s no such thing as a country being full. It’s simply a matter of making more efficient use of resources, and investing in more resources in the long-term. There’s a whole rest of the country outside of Dublin that’s chronically underdeveloped, with plenty more room for people.

The reason the current situation has come about, and the reason for this thread, is because while Ireland has the ability to decide whether or not to grant anyone refugee status, Ukrainians have already been granted refugee status, and asylum seekers coming from other countries haven’t been granted the same status. They all still need to be accommodated while their claims are being processed, and the ‘conundrum’ posed in the opening post was whether or not there is any room left to accommodate asylum seekers as a result of prioritising accommodation for Ukrainian refugees.

I never thought asking ordinary people to open their homes to refugees was a good idea in the first place, that’s why I wouldn’t support it, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t plenty Government CAN do to accommodate more asylum seekers and refugees. Plastic containers isn’t it either, that’s just another short term idea that’s going to cost far more to maintain in the long term when local councils won’t even maintain halting sites.

The resources to accommodate as many people as we can take in already exist, it’s the inefficient administration of those resources is causing the bottlenecks in the asylum and refugee system. All the other issues like housing, healthcare, etc that you want to cobble together to claim our immigration policies are responsible, would have come to a head regardless of our immigration policies. They’re completely separate from the issue of providing resources and services for asylum seekers and refugees.

Well if we think we’re full now and we can’t take in anymore, well we will be rightly fecked when the shinners get into power. But this fiasco is polarising society in Ireland just as it has in so many other places. We cannot take in the whole world but our government think otherwise. I always said we should take in as many as we can and as many as we can provide for, but we had no idea how many that was to start with and now it’s a floodgate. And no, because you’re Irish or born here your rights don’t trump someone elses, and they never will, so we can do what they do, emigrate if we don’t like it.

So in short, one minister has said its difficult to accommodate everyone.

Meanwhile, other politicians have flat out stated the observable truth: there is no more room.

This is observable by plonking people left right and centre across the country into the most unsuitable accommodation, such as schools and hotels, repurposed anything and everything.

The government have issued a travel advisory to would-be migrants not to come here as there is no accommodation.

So, you've got one guy saying something vague about difficulty, while the mountain of evidence is stacked on the other side: there is no more accommodation.

Further, you talking about ifs, maybes and buts as to pie in the sky ideas is yet further proof that there is no accommodation right now, and there won't be later.

Conclusion. There is no more available accommodation, as a matter of fact.

Right now. Not maybe tomorrow, or next month, or next year. Right now.

Draw a line under that fact

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Now, there is also the slight, slight problem of the housing crisis for irish people. You may have heard a whisper or two about it the last lifetime. Screw everyone else, let's try that for a change.

People have had it with this fiasco. Put a fork in it, it's done.

I don't agree with your contention that the country has a large quantity of idle assets sitting waiting for people to live in them. You say that there are, but you might point us to where this vacant city is, because no one, not even government knows.

Well that’s not quite what I said, but it IS part of the reason why I said that there exists outside of Dublin a whole rest of the country that’s chronically underdeveloped, with plenty of room for as many people as we can take, but the issue is the administration of those resources, exemplified by the fact that Government UNDERSPEND (you read that right 😁) on housing in 2022, to the tune of €700 million -

https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-targets-budget-5939123-Dec2022/

The Government budgeted for it, the money was there, it just wasn’t spent! I’m not one either for going around pointing to vacant properties and suggesting people be accommodated in them because I understand that these properties if they’re not entirely uninhabitable, dilapidated and beyond the cost of economic feasibility to bring them up to standard, can actually be brought up to standard. There are currently 4,000 properties owned by local authorities which are being LET go into disrepair -

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/special-report-4000-properties-owned-by-councils-empty-in-a-housing-crisis-41244351.html

That was in 2022, this was in 2018, the problem isn’t new -

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/scandal-of-3600-council-homes-now-lying-empty-37443999.html

Instead of spending on bringing these properties up to spec, investing in education and schools and other local infrastructure and amenities, Government has continued to rely on, and prop up the private sector for at least the last decade - instead of providing habitable accommodation, they provide HAP schemes to pay subsidised rent to private landlords; instead of providing habitable accommodation, local authorities have relied on hotels and charity organisations to provide emergency accommodation, in order to maintain artificially inflated property values making ownership of property less affordable for a growing number of people.

If they roll over on that now and begin providing accommodation for refugees and asylum seekers and people who are regarded as homeless on housing waiting lists, the vast majority of the Irish electorate, who are homeowners with mortgages, will see the value of their properties depreciate which will basically tank the property market, which Ireland’s economic growth into the future is heavily reliant upon. It would be political suicide for Government to administer resources efficiently in that sense, even though it means crippling families living in poverty, which doesn’t just include Irish people, it includes immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers too. It’s in those Irish people’s interests to support refugees and asylum seekers, because they stand to benefit from the greater distribution of more resources to provide for people regardless of their immigration or citizenship status.

Has there been a statement from the Opposition and/or the Immigrant Council and the other NGO's with skin in the game yet?

If not I wonder why not. Are they afraid to say anything because they actually support the message being sent to would be IP seekers, or are they keeping their powder dry.

Honestly it is like a one party State. I know it isn't before anyone calls me something something, but I often wonder to myself why the whole lot of them (obviously for different reasons) sing from exactly the same immigrant hymn sheet, and the media doesn't question anything in depth either.

All people want is a voice in a democratic country. There is muzzling going on which isn't right such as a media that is unquestioning and the labelling of anyone anywhere who questions the policy as far right and racist.

Next we will see the upcoming protests reported as being infiltrated by hard right (not concerned communities without any other voice), and racist elements. I dunno, I get a bit worried sometimes and it's not about immigration - it is about the way we are being somewhat brainwashed. Well that's just me I suppose, but it's a valid enough view when you see the reportage.

They should trump others and they do. Understandably there's no difference for an EU citizen but there is for others (hence why they don't get full welfare or can work). People here have paid taxes all their life and their parents have so deserve a return on that. Immigrants have not.

The established media outlets are basically in bed with politicians and high ranking civil servants. Both those entities need huge numbers brought into the population in order to pay the taxes that end up in their salaries and will go towards their gold plated pensions. NGO's need this income stream too. This is why these huge numbers are being shipped in here. These entities don't give a damn there is no infrastructure to accommodate them, don't give a damn who they are, what they do. They just want them in, increase population, increase the tax takings. Younger indigenous Irish people can't accommodate their plan because young Irish people have been priced out of all markets, especially housing. No housing, no future indigenous population, the solution for the civil servant gold pension NGO regime? Import the population. This is what is going on.

If I arrived in Germany on a flight from europe, UK, Ireland .. without a passport, I'd be sent back on the first plane.

How are so many getting in via Dublin airport with no passport ???