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sinn fein expenses controversy

  • 25-01-2023 9:49pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭


    Deserving of a separate thread.

    Those in glass house should not be throwing stones.


    So sinn fein accept that the did not account for €7,000 in polling costs, they also accept that they did not pay a bill despite several requests, and they now also accept that THEY did not declare several expenditures on pr and press outing expenses.

    What more will come out?

    They were extremely vociferous last week and now suddenly they all seem to have got severe form of laryngitis. Watch as suddenly no sinn fein spokespeople will be available to comment on news items and you will not hear any of them on any news programmes for a few days until their lords in belfast tell them what to do.

    My guess is they will wait until further revelations in the sunday indo before deciding the narrative to put out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Every one of them are rotten. Top to bottom. No exceptions. Get in. Get paid. Secure pension. Get out. Improve nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭Allinall


    What politicians are looking to “get out”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    But they aren't all rotten.

    There are exceptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    I look forward to Mary Lou giving a full and detailed explanation in the Dail and then answering all questions TDs from other parties have. Having spent the last 2 weeks shouting that Pascal should do that it's hard to see how she can say no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I thought fùck all of the paschal story....i think even less of this.....

    The mileage the media give this shìte is unreal....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,974 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was always going to backfire, people make mistakes, when you pretend that you are uniquely perfect it comes back to bite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Housing, health, refugees, cost of living out of control and all those dopes up in the Dail can do is bicker about a few grand here and there like a bunch of primary school kids fighting over a soccer ball. Grow up ye clowns and get on with running the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    A man was beaten to death in his hospital bed this week. Media and politicians more concerned about a few quid spent on an election donkeys years ago. Horrible horrible country now.

    Damien English must be pissing himself. What was it he did again..??!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I think there are already loads of threads about teachers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    Bit difficult to throw stones when all of your hands are tied to strangling the neck of the nation. Every single politician on this island is an absolute thundering disgrace.

    I'm sure the millionaires that run whatever convention centre these hoors rented out are destitute as f**k. God love them.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Every single politician ?

    And by the way one of the venues was the National Gallery.

    Owned by you and me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I'll guess you didn't read anythign about it.


    They used the Royal Irish Academy on Dawson street. It is not owned by anyone and its membership is mostly made up of scholars of science and humanities. Their aim is to do research to help society in general and most will give their time free in researching the papers

    They charge a reasonable fee for renting one of their meeting rooms and that fee goes into their research - here's the current projects https://www.ria.ie/research-projects


    So no millionaire. It could be described as a "good cause" that sinn fein refused to pay for almost 7 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah, every politician, every single one of them.

    Plenty of things are owned by you and me el, under the constitution you and me are supposed to be sovereign, that doesn't stop the regime from treating you and me and everybody else as total f**king goms

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    I'm sure the Royal f**king Irish Academy need the money. Look man, I don't give a monkeys f**k about Sinn Fein, to the same regard I don't give a f**k about the Royal Irish Academy. Both are scams. Both can f**k off because both serve no purpose to the ordinary Irish citizen like me. You may as well ask me to care what's currently going on in the north pole of the planet Pluto.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    With respect the claim that every politician is a disgrace is untrue.

    And it has been pointed out that three of the events were not held in millionaire's venues.

    Furthermore there is nothing wrong with being successful in business and providing employment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I think you are showing a very sever lack of education in your post and its obvious you do not know what the RAI does or ahs done over the decades.


    Many of its projects have ensured great improvement for people's lives.


    But sure you don't care - as it can only be about you and you alone. That's rather sad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    If one of them was the National Gallery like you said, then it definitely was held in a multi millionaire owned venue. It's just that the regime owns it, who are multi-millionaires. Not me and you, who are supposed to own it, but I wonder how I would fare renting the thing out next weekend

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    Educate my ignorant peasant arse then. Show me what they have done.

    Since you can't even spell correctly yourself, I'm not going to expect much.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    maybe you could try clicking the link. It's not that difficult.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Aggression is no substitute for reasoned discussion.

    There's no regime of multi millionaires here.

    We have a stable democracy.

    Call down to the gallery have a look around it's free entry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    Nah of course there's no regime of multi-millionaires in this country. Everybody is in the same boat as you and me.

    Stable democracy. lol. It's a stable alright.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    OK

    I think we are pretty much done here anyway.

    No disrespect I have to turn in now early start in am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭buried


    No disrespect felt at all my friend. Good luck with your work tomorrow.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    one is a provider providing a service the other is a group of people who aspire to lead the nation . how are the both scams

    Some one who provides a service should be paid surely ? now cowered into silence for years and robbed of what is theirs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think the whole election expenses "scandal" is a big pile of nothing. The sum total of all this amounts to a couple of grand at most, nothing nearly worthy of the amount of time it's been receiving - especially when the country is in the midst of a number of serious crises.

    I do find it interesting that someone sat on that RHA invoice info to pull out of the drawer now though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Seems the Indo has more details to publish on Sunday.

    Sinn fein will need a brillo pad to wash the egg off their faces next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I found it disgusting that the news reporting a man had been charged with murdering Matthew Healy whilst he was in a hospital ward was pushed down to the 3rd slot. And the main news story was about a mate of a politician using his van, ladders and staff to put up election banners years ago.

    A MAN WAS MURDERED ON A HOSPITAL WARD! But Sinn Fein with their whiney voices didn’t deem that more important. So **** them.

    They didn’t pay their invoices which is the make and break of any business, small and large. I hope their behaviour sinks them now.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,170 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Told lies on an application form in order to circumvent planning policies.

    He's rightly gone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    100% agree, but its sinn fein that have done their best to create "scandals" from some small errors. I know in my business if a staff member made an error in account for about €2k, it would be sorted in 2 minutes and that would be the end of it.


    I suspect someone in the RIA who is just sick to the teeth of sinn fein village politics remembered this issues and mentioned it to someone in the media which led to further checking and the other events that they see just an an "oversight" - but if it was another party it would be seen as a "scandal"


    Sunday's revelation in the indo will be interesting. It may be drab or then it may be explosive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    “I do find it interesting that someone sat on that RHA invoice info to pull out of the drawer now though”

    Having worked in accounts departments for small businesses, you send out your invoice at months end. If there’s a query with an invoice, you’d normally hear from them within the next 30 days as they’d be inputting invoice into their system. 30 days pass and you contact them and they say there dealing with your payment. 60 days, 90 days, same story. Then it hits the 120+ column and you’ll still send out statements but you realise you may be flogging a dead horse and contacting them is a waste of your time.

    You don’t forget that a group like Sinn Fein hasn’t paid you though and it’s SFs fault that it’s now public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Because the original Donohoe scandal and now this one are non-stories, SF can go to ground having stoked populist resentment but not be victims to it themselves. The only outrage here is one of breathtaking hypocrisy, and SF supporters can hardly be trusted to recognise that.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where did you read about the Sindo publishing more details?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    they deserve all the scrutiny after dragging out the pascal crap to the same extent

    however both of them are non-stories unless theres more to come - less than 10k in unregistered electoral expenses is not a huge scandal, even if it should still be punishable by a fine or something from SIPO for incorrect reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah it is very silly. Points scoring from all sides about minute stuff. However, we should be thankful we live in a country where the quality of living is fairly stable. The governance is stable.

    The odd thing about these little questions about SF such as expenses etc. They are more damaging politically to SF than the more obvious bigger historical questions. And current questions involving an on going courtcase which cannot be discussed on boards because it is sub judice.

    So the current government have finally copped on that to get at SF politically play them at their own game. Insinuate corruption, 'jobs for the boys', materialism, SF voting against housing in DCC etc.

    That is how to beat SF politically because that is what the new generation of potential SF voters resonate with. Keep it to ordinary SF misdeeds and errors - not the usual ones beyond the ordinary that SF brush off time and again.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,159 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They have been clever in making this a party thing rather than individual.

    Does the buck really stop with MLMD?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    No, it never has and never will. The buck stops in Belfast where the inner circle is. They set the agenda each week and they dictate what to talk about and when to go off the radar (as they have suddenly done now).


    Its a different rule for sinn fein. Theirs is an oversight, and anyone else's is a scandal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭howiya


    More invoices and expenses being declared. Fourth time updating their 2020 return now. As I said on the other thread the penalty should be something more than making an amended declaration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I see this as comedy gold.

    sinn fein coming on again with another declaration of another error.


    so sinn fein three time to the trough and not finished yet


    they'll be drowning in it next week when the sunday indo throws a few more and the amount is substantially greater than the total amounts so far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    It must be tough being a shinner ,

    regardless of what kind o mud you try to sling on anyone else up to and including murder and child abuse they can always sling worse back at you and have it stick because its true

    gas to the shinners try t down play their bigger financial scandal while crowing about other party's smaller one

    Truly Orwellian level double think



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    First time I've seen an apolitical person take the side of all politicians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts


    Our petty thieves wear knock-off tracksuits, our dope dealers wear Balenciaga and our mass murderers wear suits and go the Daíl.

    Neither side is right or wrong, they're all immoral participants in metaphorical game of chess, with us as their board pieces. There's no point in giving out about it at this stage, the country is way too far gone.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re not living in South Sudan, dude. Don’t be so fatalist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,726 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Wait until SIPO asks about all the volunteers from another jurisdiction, paid by a political party in another jurisdiction, who came in to work for Sinn Fein during the last election.

    Sinn Fein maintain that they are two separate parties, North and South, for political expenses and electoral purposes. Therefore, when officials come South and lend a hand to Sinn Fein South, they are not a member of Sinn Fein South, but a member of Sinn Fein North. Therefore, they are giving assistance in kind and should be reported as part of the SIPO returns and a value put on their time. Exactly the same situation as a man giving a van.

    There isn't a chance that Sinn Fein included this in their returns.

    Doubt the outrage merchants will be on this thread to condemn them though.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Amend the register for 2016. Amend it 4 times for 2020 and then not proceeding with next week's vote of no confidence in PD only to change the subject to something else.

    Then they reserve the right to bring up Pascal's expenses at another time in the Dail.

    I've no love for PD but this is comedy gold with SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,726 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They have made complete fools of themselves.

    When you look at the first three or four pages of the Paschal thread and the posters who were foaming at the mouth, you have to wonder why they aren't over here calling for MLMD's head!!!! Comedy gold isn't the half of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,974 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I have to agree here.


    It is always a stupid thing to make a song and dance over a small thing. As if no one ever used their work van etc.


    If one gets that puritanical then everyone is a sinner.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The border is a funny old thing isn't it? SF don't even recognise the validity of the State, but are happy to use the border to funnel money from the US into the northern branch so it can be used to employ "volunteers" who can then give their time during an election campaign to put up posters, do the door-to-door shuffle, stand 101 metres away from polling stations etc.

    It's very clever in fairness, and part of the DNA of the party. You cannot fault that. The overall strategy is on point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Ah, at this stage sinn fein need to buy a merry go round with the number of times they are going back and forth making changes to their declared election expenses.

    Notice, as predicted, that the sinn fein cheerleaders have gone to ground and you don't hear their td's on radio the last 3 days. Belfast has spoken - "keep you mouth shut"


    Remember this is a party that is the richest in Ireland, has the most money, the most property and a shady past. Its social media is managed from Czech republic or Slovakia, its election database is hosted and managed in Germany, its HQ is in Northern Ireland and most of its money and "office" costs are out of this jurisdiction too as is most of its fundraising.


    They make a mountain out of a few hundred euro worth of assistance with posters by a local firm, but say nothing and provide no information on who makes substantial donations to them at their fundraising events in USA, UK & Australia - because its not in this jurisdiction and therefore they can hide it from everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,726 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    My point is that those "volunteers" fall into the same category as the man with the van in Paschal's situation when it comes to the regulations. Don't think anyone has picked up on this yet. SF didn't include anything on this in their electoral returns. No wonder they are running away from the debate.



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