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2022 NFL season - Regular Season Thread - Picks etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,265 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Championship Round

    49ers @ Eagles

    Bengals @ Chiefs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I don't think they're as good as the 49ers. Their record is ever so slightly misleading I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭cosatron


    the eagles are warm favourites and in many experts opinion have the best roster in the league. To be honest i think they will run up a big score on the 49ers and Purty won't be able to keep up.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I think they are very evenly matched. As a 49ers fan I'd be very concerned about the eagles pass rush combined with how Purdy has looked while pressured.

    Both defenses are top notch. They bookies make Eagles 2.5 point favourites which is really just accounting for home field advantage. Tough one to call.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Whats a big score? Hurts doesn't look like he has any interest in taking a hit while running and I'm not sure his running will be a difference maker in this game.

    49ers are the top defense in the league for a reason and I just don't see them shipping a whole lot of points to anyone. I could see this being a 24-20 sort of game with defenses dominating and points hard to come by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    they gave up a ton of points to Mahomes, and Hurts ain't Mahomes.

    it'll be close. i just personally think the 49ers are slightly more rounded, and the Philly team are being overblown a smidge.

    i could be embarrassingly wrong though, but that's my gut. i honestly have no dog in the fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Eagles and Chiefs. Going for a 100% this round.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭cosatron


    30 plus points. they put up over 260 yards on the ground against the giants who a week before held cook to 60 yards. i think there oline are the best in the business and its in philly and say you hold them to 130 yards on the ground, they still have smyth and aj brown on the perimeter and the 49ers corners are giving after giving up 100 yards games to Adams, Metcalf and lamb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    I had no expectations for the cowboys to win last night, so I don't think they were as bad as some of the Media wanna make out, but they're never winning anything with McCarthy as Coach, time to throw the bag at Sean Payton. But that'll never happen cause he won't go for pints with Jerry.

    I called Bengals/Niners weeks ago and I'm sticking by it, Burrows just seems built better for these situations than Mahomes, and hopefully niners show up the Eagles for the absolute frauds they've been all season.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Sorry but the Giants are an awful defense, 49ers are in a completely different class. They just held Dallas to 12 points who hung 40 on Philly.

    Since October they have conceded more than 23 points once. I just don't see them getting torched in terms of points.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭cosatron


    i thought Dak was slow and ponderous in his decision making all night, he telegraphed the first int and got fixated on ceedee lamb and wouldn't spread the ball around. Better qb play and ye would've won that game



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Yeah, for the most part Giants have pretty poor personnel on both sides of the ball - Daboll and his team did coaching miracles to get them as far as they did.

    They're night and day from what the Eagles will be facing with the 49ers. For example, Hurts likes to target short to intermediate and he'll be going from facing one of the worst LB group in the NFL with the Giants to the best with SF.

    There is an argument to be made that the Eagles haven't played a good team from outside their division all year so it is hard to gauge them. Sometimes those teams continue to steamroll the opposition even when there is a step up in quality while others get punched in the mouth for first time and don't know what to do and get bullied.

    49ers got that punch to the face yesterday and found a way to win despite playing far from their best and Shanahan struggling with what Quinn was scheming. That will stand to them more than if they had another easy game, presuming none of the knocks end up being too serious.

    A reason why Dak was slow was due to what the 49ers were doing on defense. Ryans went away from a lot of the tendencies they had in the regular season. They were pressuring him mentally in the secondary while him also knowing their DL was always a threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I see someone blaming McCarthy and someone saying the niners defense was the reason for Dak's poor performance.

    If the Cowboys had a decent QB last night they'd be playing Philly next week. Dak has been awful most of the season. He threw 13 interceptions in his last nine games including last night. He threw two against the Giants, Texans, Jags and Titans in the none games as well.as last night. In.tjat run.if games he threw 20 TDs to those 13 ints which is horrendous. He was tied for the highest amount of interceptions in the regular season despite missing five games.

    So you can't just give kudos to the defense and say what happened last night was all.them. Prescott threw two awful picks, they had nothing to do with the defense. He was a pathetic 23 of 37 for 206 yards. His QB rating was 51.5, slightly worse that Purdy's 53.1. He was only sacked once and the 49ers weren't getting there that often.

    The Eagles will give Purdy nightmares with their pass rush. He faced a high level pass rush last night for the first time in his career and he wasn't able for it. He's going up against a better one next next weekend.

    Also I seen somebody who talked about who the Eagles faced. How about who the niners faced during that run of wins in the regular season. They faced three teams with winning seasons and three teams who made the playoffs, two as wildcards avd the Bucs with a losing season. Not exactly stellar competition.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    The defense had nothing to do with the interceptions I've heard it all now. 🤣🤣🤣

    I guess the fact the 49ers have the most ints in the league also "had nothing to do with the defense"

    49ers had 18 QB pressures to Dallas 20 pressures but the 49ers "weren't getting there that often" and Dallas had a high level pass rush.

    Purdy "Wasn't able for it" despite his efficient performance, hitting some big throws and throwing zero interceptions. Completed 65% of his passes, +.09 EPA, +4.4 CPOE.

    If that is falling apart I'll take the same sort of performance again this week.

    Everybody focusing on Purdy but this game will be won and lost on how well both teams can run the ball/stop the run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Maybe you need to watch the highlights again.

    https://www.nfl.com/videos/cowboys-vs-49ers-highlights-divisional-round

    If you watch from 25 seconds you'll see the first int and then from 1.52 you'll see the second.

    When you do that come back to me and tell me how much pressure Prescott was under for those two throws.

    Purdy's rating was 87.4 which on regular season numbers would put him just behind Heinicke, Mariota and Brissett.

    There were four QB's that had a completion percentage in the 65's over the course of the regular season. They were Cousins, Tanehill, Mac Jones and Goff.

    Those numbers are not good when you are averaging 7.4 yards per attempt and that's with two thirty yarders to George Kittle thrown in. If you took those two throws to Kittle out he averaged just over 4.5 yards per attempt for the rest of his completions. That's very poor accuracy on those 17 throws with such low yards per attempt numbers.

    I understand you are a niners fan but defending such a poor performance and such a drop in standard compared to what he was doing before then is basically putting the goggles on.

    It's the first time he faced a serious pass rush and he didn't look like he could handle it. He's facing an even better pass rush at the weekend.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    You're hilarious sometimes. I've watched the game twice. You can't tell me that any INT has nothing to do with what the defense is doing. Coverage is part of defense too, not all pass rush. Bad QB decision good defensive play. Both things can be true.

    Your Purdy takes are beyond silly to be fair. He's going against the number 2 defense in the country. He completed 65% of his passes. He threw zero interceptions and most crucially he made big time throws in high leverage situations on third down. Of course if you decide to remove his longest throws his YPA will go down. As I said I'd take that performance again this weekend if he can deliver it.

    But obviously 49ers run game going against the Eagles number 24 ranked run defense will be more where SF will be focusing their attention to hopefully reduce the effect of the pass rush in the first place.

    https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1617739771782266880?t=gPfelqJU2tP10eYJViN0nw&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The two throws were awful and he wasn't being pressured on either throw. That's my point.

    Do you disagree with that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Agree on coverage and I'll add that at times it isn't even just the rush and coverage on a given play, it is about the defense changing what the QB expects and then makes them second guess themselves and having players who can then take advantage of it. That's a big part of the difference between Dak's performance against the Bucs and the 49ers, with the Bucs it looked like Dak had the call of the defense for most snaps. Dak wasn't seeing stuff like the below against the Bucs:


    With Purdy, if it was any other poster I'd be surprised by the level of obvious inconsistency of opinion. Normally they champion QB efficiency, game management, protecting the ball, and doing whatever is needed to win even, if it isn't pretty, but not in this case. I don't see anyone claiming Purdy had an amazing game, he did however play well enough to win and once again as a rookie faced a new challenge and passed it. He should learn from the experience and though the Eagles overall probably have a better DL, they don't have a freak like Parsons who likely made the 49ers play more safe. Against the Cowboys the 49ers asked and got what they needed from Purdy, against the Eagles they'll probably need and ask him to do more.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I think SF will have to run the ball effectively to have success against Philly. The eagles have the number one pass defense in the league so SF will have to stick with the running game and hopefully not fall into a multi-score deficit.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    On the 49ers strength of schedule, yes they didn't face a tough one either. I'd argue tougher than anything the Eagles faced were the red hot 8-4 Dolphins prior to Tua going out injured and the Cowboys in the play-offs, who were looking for revenge and likely having analysed every bit of their playoff loss.

    Even if there is disagreement there, the strength of schedule discussion also goes back into last season. I can't see one win by the Eagles against a very good team, whereas the vast majority of this same 49ers group came up against and won against the Super Bowl champions Rams twice (narrowly losing the 3rd), the Super Bowl finalist Bengals, and also both the 12 win Cowboys and 13 win Packers on the road in the playoffs.

    I fully accept the Eagles have improved a lot more since last year but I can't see any evidence that they are battle tested as a group anywhere close to the 49ers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Purdy had a bad game. He'd have lost against a QB like Goff or Cousins because that's how bad Prescott was.

    I've been raving about Purdy since he started with the niners and I liked him in college and it's a great story. I never thought he'd make it at this level but he has looked great. But against the Cowboys he didn't look good at all, running backwards towards your own end zone is crazy and he did that a few times. He had some nice throws, nearly all of them to Kittle, but overall he was very poor.

    On the two Prescott interceptions he threw awful balls and it was all on him, it wasn't that he was seeing something different. Even if things looked different a top class QB wouldn't throw the ball if things change, he'd throw it away or take the sack rather than make a stupid throw. Both ints were horrendous throws.

    At no point have I said that the 49ers D was bad. They weren't getting there like they've done in most games this season though. They still played well just not up to the high level we are used to seeing from them. That is why the Cowboys had a chance to win. A decent QB, not a great one, would have gotten the Cowboys across the line in my opinion.

    Anyway I didn't like how Purdy reacted to being pressured and I see that happening again against the Eagles. Maybe he'll learn from last weekend and it'd be great if he has.

    The Eagles have the best roster in football at the minute, their offense is just so good with two elite receivers, an elite TE a great QB and three running backs who just mesh together so well. Their OL is top notch too. The most interesting battle is how the niners D does against that OL.

    I think the Eagles win on both sides of the ball and win it by something like 9 points.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    You keep claiming that Dak was under no pressure for either int - from angle from behind it is clear for the first that he only got it off a split second before he would have been sacked, likely stripped of the ball.


    You're really stretching claiming Purdy had a bad game. The chaotic scrambling has been a part of ever game he has played - I'm not a fan of him doing it but if you were 'raving' about his performances prior then you must not have watched his full games.

    It is laughable for you to cherry picking stats and then try to prove your point by comparing a divisional round playoff game against one of the top defenses in the league to those of other QBs season long. If you're concerned about Purdy's completion % at 65 against the Cowboys defense, you must be terrified about Hurts' last three games being 66 against the weak Giants defense, then 57 against the Giants backups, and 59 against the Bears. QBs have won Super Bowls with lower competition % than what Purdy or Hurts had at the weekend.

    Purdy did what he was asked during this game and the team won. He protected the ball, unlike Jimmy did historically, and then took shots down the field when needed. They relied on their defense and their run game, with multiple 49ers saying their game plan was to run the ball even more than they did but it was one of those days where things didn't work that way until late in the game, both down to the Cowboys playing well and 49ers mistakes. That context absolutely matters.

    Eagles and 49ers are probably one and two for the most stacked roster in the NFL currently. The big potential difference likely to be QB, understandable with the 49ers on their 3rd string. Strange group of positions for you to call out there though - the 49ers also have two elite WRs, a TE that is better than the Eagles have, and a RB room that is better than the Eagles' also. Agree on the OL though, that could be another differentiator. When you go position by position it is mostly shaded one way or the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know what you see in the video but I looked at Dak and he's looking downfield all the time. He's not pressured and he throws an awful ball. It might be close but he never sees it coming so is unaffected by it. Tell me what you see from Dak?

    How do you come to the conclusion that I cherry picked stats? I went through all of them. QB rating, completion percentage and yards per attempt. What did I not talk about? Referencing regular season stats was because of the falloff from the incredible level Brock showed during the regular season. He was comparable with the elite QB's up until the weekend.

    He may get back there this weekend and it'd be a great story if he does but I'm not confident he will after what I seen against the Cowboys. He's still a rookie though and has plenty of time to improve.

    I've always liked George Kittle and was talking about him when he was coming out of college and nobody rating him. I don't agree that he's on a different level to Goedart though. This season George had 60 receptions for 765 yards, Goedart had 55 for 702. Both on 12.8 yards per reception. Big difference is TD receptions where it's 11 to 3 in favour of George. Seven of them have come since Brock came in, he's been Brock's favourite target.

    On the rushing situation, McCaffrey is awesome and Mitchell is really good, I'd say individually that both are better than any of the Eagles running backs but they have Hurts, Sanders, Scott and Gainwell. They just sync together with different skillets and it's a very powerful run game.

    You had 2360 rushing yards and 20 TDs. They had 2509 yards and 32 TDs on the ground. It's a very underrated running game.

    You say that Purdy did what was asked of him and I don't agree with that. He ran towards his own end zone too many times. In fairness you agreed about him doing that and said you are unhappy with it. Too many times he got out of the pocket with no plan.

    I hope my prediction about Brock struggling against the Eagles is wrong. If I'm right I hope it doesn't become a big thing where people say he'sl been found out and all that crap. He's a rookie, Mr Irrelevant, and I want so much to see it all work out for him.

    We'll find out the weekend how it goes. For many years the niners were my second favourite team but then things got really bad for them and I wasn't really passing much heed on how things were going for them but I like what I'm seeing there now from John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan to Deebo and McCaffrey and now Brock. There's a lot to like but I don't see them beating the Eagles. Hopefully you have all the pieces still in place next year and hopefully with a full year behind him Brock can become the QB you've yearned for over a long number of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Dak could have backed away from that pressure pretty easily. I can't blame that for the int. The route from Gallup was horrendous but it wasn't a win in any case and shouldn't have been thrown.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Was a bad decision for sure, he was under pressure and just threw where he assumed the WR would be without checking if he was open. But from a defensive point of view it was also a great play from Lenoir to recognise and run the route to come away with the INT.

    People trying to say that INT had nothing to do with the defense can't really be serious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Lenoir made a great play but only because the throw was horrendous.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Picks for divisional round:

    Bengals @ Chiefs

    I'm always wary of over reacting to the previous week, particularly in the playoffs but Cincinnati have looked like the best team in the AFC for a while now. They have beaten the Chiefs now 3 times in 2022 Calendar year including last years divisional round.

    Late Last year they frustrated the Chiefs offense by only rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage forcing Mahomes to take short throws or to run the ball. Instead KC forced the ball to Tyreek Hill and ended up losing both games.

    This year Hill is gone and the chiefs are still the best offense in the league. Bengals have offensive line issues but Burrow gets the ball out quicker than anyone else in the league.

    Chris Jones may be the most important player in this matchup, if he can get pressure up the middle that can wreck the game, if not I find it hard to see the KC defense slwoing down Cinci.

    With Mahmoes obviously injured and the Bengals defense going so well I imagine they won't allow Kelce be the one to beat them and they'l force Mahomes to go elsewhere. If you take away the Mahomes scrambles I'm not sure you get enough production from the other receivers/running backs to win this one. I like Cincinnati by 4 in this one.

    49ers @ Eagles

    This one will be won and lost in the trenches. Quite obviously the 2 best teams in the NFC. Philly has the leagues best pass defense, a super deep defensive line and the best O-line in football. They have a weakness in terms of their run defense(#22 DVOA) but that is hard to exploit as you need to have enough success passing to keep them from dropping a safety to help in the run game.

    In AJ Brown and Devonta Smith they have a top WR duo and they clearly have a great coaching setup both from a game planning perspective but also in game decision making.

    On the other side SF has the best defense in the league with All Pros at each level and no glaring weakness. Their defensive line isn't as strong as it was in 2019 but it is still plenty good including the DPOY. The 49ers usually do well taking away the short/intermediate passes over the middle of the field, potentially struggle against deeper passes. They also do very well against the run.

    Offensively the 49ers have an array of weapons that they can lineup anywhere, rb, slot receiver, outside receiver. This makes it very difficult on the defense. If Philadelphia can shut down the 49ers run game then they win the game. If SF can get enough production from the passing game to force the eagles to keep both safeties deep then I think they be able to run the ball and win.

    Ultimately it comes down to how the various defensive line v offensive line battles go. I think it will be low scoring and could really go either way. I'll lean eagles given their D-line depth, superior offensive line and home field advantage.

    Eagles by 3.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Fully agree it shouldn't have been thrown but that isn't the argument that was made:

    wasn't being pressured on either throw

    Good to see that we're also in agreement that there was pressure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    QB play falling off when the player is playing the best defense in his career in a playoff game isn't a shock and certainly doesn't mean he had a bad game. I don't remember you calling out Brady for having a bad game against the Rams in the Super Bowl victory when he had worse stats across every measure you're judging Purdy on, some significantly worse.

    Eagles are a step up on the Cowboys, presuming they also perform close to the top end like the Cowboys did, and it is likely that Purdy will struggle in that situation. This in no way changes the fact he didn't have a bad game against the Cowboys, especially given the fact that one of your main complaints is something he has done in basically every game he has played in.

    On TEs, Goedert isn't in the same world as Kittle as a blocker which is part of the role of a tight end.

    I don't see the Eagles rushing game as underrated at all - it is what every analyst is talking about, especially regarding Hurts and his legs. Of those numbers for the Eagles, 1/3 is made up from Hurts running and 40% of those rushing TDs. 49ers got their numbers with basically nothing from their QB after week 1. I'd argue if you took away the risk of Hurts running the Eagles RBs wouldn't be close to as productive, evidenced by the low numbers when he was injured - though a small sample.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    When your team wins a Superbowl you celebrate not look at stats but the right man got the MVP.

    We'll just have to disagree on Purdy's performance, his QB rating suggests he played poorly, the completion percentage combined with yards per attempt also suggest that.

    Obviously you haven't seen much of Goedart this year or last. His blocking both on run and pass plays has been very good. His pass blocking improved again this season. He's always been a good run blocker. I don't know if anybody grades tight ends in all three phases but if you put them all together I'd expect both Goedart and Kittle to be in the top five at worst.

    I included Hurts as part of that running game, and he's a huge part of it. Sanders had close to 1300 yards in the regular season, fifth best in the league. He had 11 rushing TDs too. I certainly wouldn't disagree that the Eagles running game would likely be a lot worse without Hurts but he's there and a big part of it and I don't understand why you are even bringing that up when we are talking about their run game as a whole. Gainwell and Scott add so much in smaller roles. I don't get your issue with what I said about them. I said they are underrated. Scott and Gainwell just fit in so well with what's going on, in smaller roles. It's not a superstar lineup but it works as good as any other team in the league.

    What happened when Hurts was out can't really be judged for or against anybody, you've got a whole different setup without a running QB so every part of the offense is going to have issues as they are doing different things.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    So on reflection now you're accepting Brady had a 'bad' game against the Rams in the Super Bowl then???

    How about Brady over his career in playoffs? Have you come to the opinion that playoff Brady is a 'bad' player?

    Playoff Brady's average yards is less than Purdy had last week, coming in at 7.0, he has a lower completion rate at 62%, and his average rating only very slightly better at 89.8. Cherry on top is that Purdy didn't throw any picks and Brady averages nearly 1 a game.

    I'm in no way saying Purdy is better than Brady or any nonsense like that. I'm only showing you that playoff football is hard for everyone, even GOATs. It is stupid to try to compare them to regular season football and it is just silly to claim that a performance from a rookie QB is 'bad' based on stats against a very good defense which in reality are better than the average performance of the most successful QB in history and to most 'the GOAT'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You have a tiny sample size for Purdy. I've no more to say about that.

    It doesn't surprise me that you'd take any opportunity to attack Brady though. You were doing that for years. He's no longer a Patriot so I'm not concerned by it.

    When he retires he'll be a Patriot again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    In a suicide league and down to last 12 people with a pick each, $45,0000 on the line, tried to do a split this week but 2 people didn’t want to split it. So got to pick the winner of both games this weekend. We’ve been picking 2 teams for a few weeks now cos so many people made it this far.

    thinking eagles and Cinci, torn cos Iam a big niners fan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,927 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    45 grand though...the team won't mind if you follow your head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Still torn on who I think will actually win, I think Eagles have the edge but don’t sleep on the niners, it’s just the kind of game they can grind out

    kc and Cinci is a wild one, a lot of variables



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I think that's the correct call, see my reasoning up above. The 49ers game is a 60/40 sort of game, with advantages on both D-Line and O-Line and home field advantage and Shanahans tendency towards conversative decisions on 4th down and before half the smart play is on Philly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    What I did in comparing an average of Brady stats to Purdy's single game is exactly what you did earlier when you compared his stats in this single game to the average of other players across a season. Good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Here you are doing it:

    Purdy's rating was 87.4 which on regular season numbers would put him just behind Heinicke, Mariota and Brissett.

    There were four QB's that had a completion percentage in the 65's over the course of the regular season. They were Cousins, Tanehill, Mac Jones and Goff.

    The only difference is that my comparison is far, far fairer due to only taking account of playoff football, which Purdy's game against the Cowboys was.

    Your inconsistency has clearly broken your brain. Where did I attack Brady? I never said the stats Brady averaged in the playoffs would be deemed 'bad' or showed that he 'wasn't up for it' - that was all you. I'm actually the one defending Brady here and you're the one attacking his legacy unless you admit the stats you chose out of context are close to worthless in assessing QB performance, which is pretty obvious at this point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    If I had that sort of money on it I'd go the same. I have it more 55/45 to the Eagles, as I agree they shade a number of areas.

    Feel there is a lot more variance out there though given my points earlier in the thread regarding the quality of competition this Eagles team has faced over the last two seasons and a lot of the areas for the Eagles aren't really that much of a step up over the Cowboys the way they played last week.

    Most likely situation is that it comes down to the performance of Purdy and whether he has an actual bad game or performs at least as well as last week. If the 49ers win the turnover battle I think they win.

    On the 4th down situations, it wouldn't surprise me if that becomes a huge talking point afterwards in either direction. Over a season being more aggressive is 100% the way to go (also doing so against a team where you're clearly out matched) but in playoff scenarios one or two of those don't go your way and you lose a game that you should have won.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I think the burning time before half time rather than trying to score is an issue too. Happened last week and also in the superbowl. Hopefully he just plays to win this week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    How many postseason starts has Purdy? How many divisional round games has Brady had? How about if you want to do that right you take all Brady's divisional round games and put them up against Purdy's one game? You picked one Superbowl game out of all of Brady's postseason starts.

    Can we pick a different game of Brady's to compare it to like the divisional round against the Chargers in the 2018 season or against Tennessee the year before or all the way back to the 16-0 2007 season and that divisional game against the Jags?

    I showed season averages and compared them to how Purdy played in his divisional round matchup. I was providing an idea of the level that Purdy played at. I also said that Purdy played at an elite level before then. The big question mark remains how he handles a top level pass rush. He didn't do well against the Cowboys and it remains to be seen how he does against the Eagles.

    You are lowering your expectations before the game and then finding his performance to be near enough what you expected. I'm looking at it as a poor performance plain and simple. You shouldn't be lowering your expectations to start with. Plenty of QBs played at an elit level against the Cowboys during the season.

    We had eight teams play last weekend. The most outstanding performance for me was Burrow then Mahomes and Hurts who both played well.

    After that we had five poor performances. Purdy was the best of them but he was poor. He was better than Allen, Lawrence, Jones and Prescott.

    I'm not here to dish the guy and say he's the worst ever or anything of the sort. I'm simply saying he didn't handle the pass rush well and he has to face it again this weekend. We'll find out then if it was just a once off or if he has work to do on his game. Either way I think he's going to be around for a long time.

    I'm just not confident he's ready yet for a serious pass rush is all I'm saying.

    Just on Brady again, he used to have an absolute stinker of a game every couple of years. When it was going on I just accepted it because it happens to every QB. I laughed about it. If anybody said he played badly I agreed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I initially picked one Super Bowl game but then when you pushed back I expanded and looked at all of Brady's historic playoff numbers.

    We aren't talking about one 'stinker', the earlier analysis is a comparison against the average of playoff games during all of Brady's career:

    Playoff Brady's average yards is less than Purdy had last week, coming in at 7.0, he has a lower completion rate at 62%, and his average rating only very slightly better at 89.8. Cherry on top is that Purdy didn't throw any picks and Brady averages nearly 1 a game.

    It is simple, if you believe Purdy's stats prove he was 'bad' then the same stats say Brady was on average a 'bad' player in the playoffs. That is your claim, not mine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I was frustrated at the time but having heard his explanation I was ok with it.

    He wanted to avoid a risk of Cowboys getting the ball back and scoring and then having the opportunity to score again when they received the ball. He is generally more aggressive when they have the ball before half time and then receive the ball after - he calls is 'lapping' the opposition and some of the team have also spoken about it.

    Last weekend was stressful but they felt in decent control and didn't need to take risk, be it being aggressive before halftime or Purdy dropping back more or trying more imperceptible passes.

    This week will likely be different unless they somehow dominate but I'd be fully in favour of making more aggressive against a Chiefs or Bengals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    Championship Round

    Going for the home team in both games but they are so close I wouldn't be shocked to see both go to last drive/OT.

    49ers @ Eagles


    Bengals @ Chiefs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Yeah but you are including games before 2007 when the whole game changed and it became a passing league with a huge emphasis on officials calling PI's on defenders.

    John Elway is considered one of the best to ever play the game and he retired with an all game 56% completion rate.

    Joe Montana, considered the best before Brady, retired with an all game 62% completion rate and an all game QB rating of 92.

    PI calls have become more prevalent as time has gone on and as a result completion percentages and QB ratings have gotten higher and higher. A 65% completion percentage today is equivalent to a 58% rate at the end of the 90's. A QB rating of 100 is similar to 92 back then.

    There's an awful lot to be considered because of changes in the game. The lowest QB rating to lead the league at the end of the season in the last ten years was 104, in the ten years before that it was 100, in the ten before that it was 97 and in the ten before that it was 92.

    You go and show me anywhere I've ever compared player stats from 20 years ago with a player today.

    I'd guess Brady was around the sixty mark prior to 2007, no idea about his QB rating back then. I know it was 117 in 2007. I'd guess his last ten years are a lot higher in percentages to the previous ten and that's down to the changes in the laws of the game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Even cherry picking the years of his career doesn't help your argument.

    Taking Brady's playoff performances from 2007 onwards he is still below Purdy's Cowboys performance in both Comp % and Average Yards, 63.6% and 7.2 respectively, and only slightly ahead on Rating at 91.6.

    I'll even go further and look at only the last 10 years of Brady's playoff performances and it is the same story again, he is below Purdy's Cowboys performance in both Comp % and Average Yards, 62.6% and 7.3, and still only slightly ahead on Rating at 92.6.

    Either 1) Purdy wasn't as bad as you claimed, 2) you need to completely reassess the stats you use to base your opinion on, 3) you believe average playoff Brady was 'bad'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    I wouldn't feel confident betting a euro on the outcome of either of these games, probably the four most closely matched teams in conference championships games in a good few years. I suspect many will go for Eagles and Bengals wins based on their more impressive wins in the divisional round and question marks over Mahomes' ankle and whether Purdy will crack



  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭collybyrne


    182-100 coming in:

    49ers @ Eagles

    Bengals @ Chiefs

    I feel the same as everyone else here that these games are just too close to call and could easily go either way. I'm using the Mahomes potential injury to sway my decision to the road team on that one and sticking with the Eagles at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Can you send me a link to where you got those stats?



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Carlos Juicy Ibex


    Chiefs and Eagles in two blowouts.

    Eagles to go all the way.



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