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Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Eli Lilly, which started in Indiana 145 years ago, have reacted to Indiana's new draconian anti-abortion laws, have said they're going to look outside the state for growth. An employer that hires well educated people into STEM jobs and pays well will now do this elsewhere. Way to go, home of Mike Pence.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As of 2022, Lilly is known for its clinical depression drugs Prozac (fluoxetine) (1986) and Cymbalta (duloxetine) (2004) and antipsychotic medication Zyprexa (olanzapine) (1996), though its primary revenue drivers are diabetes drugs Humalog (insulin lispro) (1996) and Trulicity (dulaglutide) (2014).[6] Lilly's achievements include being the first company to mass-produce the polio vaccine developed by Jonas Salk, and insulin. It was one of the first pharmaceutical companies to produce human insulin using recombinant DNA including Humulin (insulin medication), Humalog (insulin lispro), and the first approved biosimilar insulin product in the US, Basaglar (insulin glargine).[7]

    They fucked up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems that the Handmaid's college colleagues ain't happy with her. As I recall during her confirmation they wrote a letter recommending against confirming her to the Senate. Might've been a different org at that school.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Colleges and universities don’t like to **** around with these ethics codes, their adherence to these codes help their graduates land jobs. Expect a big counter push against this though. Someone quietly donates several million to make this drama go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A pro choice activist says she was injected with Ketamine by a paramedic under the direction/pressure of a police sergeant. She's filed a civil suit.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's all sorts of fcuked up.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,444 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I loved this

    If this was really the Senator's office: lol.

    Republicans have been having a hard time since the dog caught the car: they have lost every special election that has been held since the Dodds decision came down, even ones they were favored to win. Candidates have been caught in the act of scrubbing their websites of their pro-life rhetoric ahead of the midterms. And Senator Lindsey Graham, who after the Dodd decision was leaked, said it's a states rights issue, has come around this week and said 'no it's not a states rights issue its a human rights issue' and he's done a total 180, introducing a bill for a nationwide 15 week abortion ban - which has been likened to 'handing the Democrats a box of grenades.'

    Roe may be over, but Roevember is just around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Civilised countries don't tear themselves apart arguing about whether women can have rights or not.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, somewhat unsurprising but it brought back memories, there's prior art with Alito leaking pro-Conservative rulings in advance of their being issued, in this case the infamous Hobby Lobby decision. Seems like he told some 'connected' pro-Church activists about it before it was issued. Their 'organizer' who was rabidly anti-abortion has, apparently, come around to just how bad that position was and has spilled the beans.

    Any doubts that it was Alito who leaked the Dobbs decision to force fencesitting justices to toe the RCC line are erased. He's leaked things before:





  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    'This happened because someone told me...' doesn't really stack up well to be honest. All Alito has to do is deny it ever happening and then what?

    I've no doubt one of the conservative Justices leaked this though, and they leaked it because Kavanaugh was going to switch. They would have zero reason to leak this is in the first place if they didn't catch wind that someone was going to flip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Why Kavanaugh? Himself Gorsuch and Coney Barrett were hand-picked by the Federalist society for this exact ruling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Rumors that Kavanaugh wasn't convinced about Dobbs and the twaddle that Alito wrote. Thomas, Alito, Barrett were all on board with it, likely Gorsuch too.


    Just rumors, though. We the people will never know whether Alito leaked it, and if he did, why. But the implications around Hobby Lobby in the NYT article at least hint at prior art here. Interesting that evangelical anti-abortion nim has flipped; can't ever trust that type but interesting nevertheless. That plus lots of stories coming out on the evangelicals flipping on TFG seems to indicate that maybe the evangelical industry is regretting their success, perhaps their sheep have woken up a bit and realize they have wives, daughters and other women they care about who might need an abortion and now can die from not getting one.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Because he was believed to have been far from convinced before it leaked. Also, his record of voting wherever Roberts votes is much higher than Gorsuch and Barrett.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,347 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    This thread is about Roe v Wade. It is not about Irish abortion laws



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Samuel Alito not taking his lifelong appointment all that seriously. Mocking other Justices isn't a good look.





  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    He's such a creep. Later on trying to joke that Kagan would know about AshleyMadison.com, before realising that it's a crap joke and falling over himself trying to correct himself.

    Total oddball.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Delete. Wrong thread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    House Judiciary cmte began streaming a hearing about undue political influence on the supreme court

    | Undue Influence: ‘Operation Higher Court’ and Politicking at SCOTUS | Full Committee Markup | EVENT ID 115220 |



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Intersting take


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Also think about the various times in history when the only ones who survived of a people were the children that got used for said slavery etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    But it's been like that for years. It's just fine when It's whoever's side is in. I don't see how it could be fixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's not that long ago that it was common for candidates to have bipartisan support if they were competent. e.g. Ginsburg was confirmed in the Senate with a 96-3 vote. Then the GOP started nominating candidates whose main 'qualification' was religious fundamentalism.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Through the 1935–36 terms, Roberts had been the deciding vote in several 5–4 decisions invalidating New Deal legislation, casting his vote with the "conservative" bloc of the bench, the so-called "Four Horsemen".[4] This "conservative" wing of the bench is viewed to have been in opposition to the "liberal Three Musketeers".[5] Justice Roberts and Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, the remaining two justices, were the center swing votes.[6]

    The "switch" came in the case West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, when the Court announced its opinion in March 1937.[2] Roberts switched sides and joined Chief Justice Hughes, and Justices Louis BrandeisBenjamin N. Cardozo, and Harlan Fiske Stone in upholding a Washington minimum wage law. The decision was handed down less than two months after President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced his court-reform bill. Conventional history has painted Roberts's vote as a strategic, politically motivated shift to "save nine", meaning it defused Roosevelt's drive to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court beyond nine.[7] At the time, much of the public thought Roberts was trying to defeat Roosevelt's proposed legislation, but the historical record also lends weight to assertions that Roberts's decision was made much earlier, before the bill's introduction.[8]

    The ruling marked the end of the Lochner era, a forty-year period in which the Supreme Court often struck down legislation that regulated business activity.[9]



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So what now more or ? It can always be stuffed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It sure can.

    This business of non-investigating the SCOTUS leak is going to have wide ramifications. The leak itself sealed the midterms immediately, the refusal to hold themselves accountable will seal 2024 too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh I know but putting more and more on will never solve the issue. And you cant say judges are completely non partisan. You often here what judge you Infront of then good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Can you clarify your last statement? Because it sounds like you're conflating what people say here, with what goes on in a courtroom (anywhere, Ireland, USA, well, places with the rule of law so not RuZZia...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They're banned.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Texas introduces bill to ban Texans from learning knowledge about abortion pills on the internet.

    Insane legislation that hasn’t a hope of being constitutional but it’s astounding how quickly they go from “Chinese Communist Party bad” to “let’s take lessons from the CCP”

    The bill is also a strong contradiction of Texas House Bill 20, which (already passed) seeks to BAN internet companies from moderating content. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Or lessons from Ireland 35 years ago... for a while you could be jailed if you held a sign with the phone number 01 - 679 4700 so they figured out if each person only held up one digit they might get away with it...


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    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    But..but...they're 'pro-life'.

    I've said it once and I'll say it again, Republicans are proper evil bastards and I can't wait for the next fool who tries to suggest otherwise defend this latest clear-cut evidence of such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Great my wife is going to have another panic attack. We live in this dumbass state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    You have my sympathy. Then again I have friends and family that live in Oklahoma...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Hello again.

    A few days ago a 5th circuit judge in Texas iirc ruled to block the legal use of mifepristone, the abortion pill, by blocking the FDA approval of the drug.

    A separate federal circuit judge elsewhere, issued a competing ruling protecting the drug. Mifepristone was approved 23 years ago by the FDA.

    It's now going to go back to SCOTUS, where they just undid Roe vs. Wade just 10 months ago.

    Late Wednesday, the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals froze part of the ruling. The court said the drug, that was approved in 2000, could stay on the market, but agreed with Kacsmaryk that access could be limited.

    The appeals court ordered a return to the stricter, pre-2016 FDA regime around the drug, which prevents mailing the pill to patients who obtained it through telehealth, or virtual visits with their providers rather than traveling to a clinic or hospital to obtain the drug in person.

    Laws blocking the pill from being mailed or administered by teleheath were considered 'TRAP Laws' - there's no medicalogical reason they can't be remotely prescribed to the patient, but some states still try to insist it must happen in a clinic, and those clinics must have operating room grade facilities, it cant be X miles from any school etc. etc. to push cost up and access out to abortions for arbitrary and capricious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,986 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    While they have the supreme court numbers this will keep on happening, never mind that it is a minority of the populace supporting these moves.

    They will always deny that is their plan and act hurt when called out about it but will keep on doing it.

    It will all crumble away one day, you can't keep making decisions as a minority and not having it backfire but it could be a couple of decades.

    When it backfires, they will act all hurt as well, because they are, to a fault, absolute cowards and hypocrites.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Kacsmaryk seemingly has a history of these rulings, and I think generally they are never upheld on appeal so I wouldn't fret too much yet (at least in this specific case).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Here's the link that the previous writer got via 'prolife today' which published the above.

    The author (Jacobs) is a lawyer. As for the data it seems to come from the Lozier 'institute', a well-known bunch of anti-abortion liars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Even if everything you wrote were absolutely true, and I don't grant that it is, none of it matters. The concept of bodily autonomy overrides other considerations. In the US at least a person's body cannot be used without their consent. Even to save the life of another person. Even if that person will die without it. If you were the only match that could be found for someone who needed a kidney or they would die, you cannot be forced to donate that kidney. Bone marrow donation is another one. The procedure for doing it means that the person that is going to receive the donor marrow needs to have their marrow destroyed before the donor donates their marrow. So there is a window before the donor has donated their marrow but the patient who needs the marrow has had their marrow destroyed and so they will die a horrible painful death if they don't get new marrow. During that window it is still perfectly legal for the donor to back out. And it happens. I know of at least two instances of it happening in just my personal experience. There isn't any way to find a new donor in time, so patients that this happens to die. But as bad as it is, there still shouldn't be a law forcing them to. Because people have bodily autonomy.

    Around 13 people per day die in the US because they need a kidney. If everyone was tissue typed it would be easy to find someone that matched most if not all of those people, and then as long as they had two kidneys they could donate one. Liver transplants don't even require the entire organ be transplanted, so people could just give up part of their liver to save the life of another person. And if everyone was required to donate blood regularly, especially people who are O-, there would never be a worry about the blood supply. None of that is legislated though, because people have bodily autonomy and you cannot force them to use their body to help someone else.

    In 2022 there were 33 maternal deaths for every 100,000 births in the US. In 2019, the most recent year I could find numbers for, there were 4 maternal deaths related to abortion procedures. Women are considerably more likely to die due to a pregnancy than they are due to an abortion. Forcing them to give birth is forcing them to risk their lives against their will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If women want to have an abortion that is fine I don't care, but I really wish pro abortion campaigners would stop making the completely false argument that it is a "healthcare issue". It isn't .Women have abortions because they don't want the hassle of having a baby for whatever reason that may be.In only a very small percentage of cases is abortion associated with healthcare.


    This type of argument is typical of the emotive bullsh1t and blatant lies the modern left can't seem to avoid using in order to get their points across.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Abortions involve a doctor?

    Then it sure isn't automobile repair. It's healthcare.

    The emotional argument is your own: judging people for what they do privately. It has nothing to do with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It's not healthcare, it's an abortion.

    It is not an operation that is being performed for the health of anyone, it's being done to avoid hassle not for improving health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,230 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    An abortion is healthcare, so your statement is illogical.

    It is in fact often related to and likened to an operating procedure by anti-abortion activists. Many of whom have been successful in requiring state abortion facilities to be surgically prepped facilities to handle all procedures and complications.

    If it had nothing at all to do with healthcare why would anti-abortion activists lobby to have abortion done only under the most clinical of conditions? 😶

    Why would the Mississippi state regs on abortion facilities mention "health" 51 times?

    Sure seems like the Republicans totally understand it to be healthcare based on the evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    My cousin was diagnosed with Stage 3 colon cancer in her second trimester thanks to an inherited gene flaw.

    For the uninitiated, the second trimester is from 12 to about 25 weeks of pregnancy.

    Unfortunately, in order to perform the surgery she needed and to administer the regime of toxic medicine and radiation she required to complete her treatment, it was necessary to terminate her pregnancy, in order to save at least one of them, rather than the certainty that both mother and foetus would have died.

    Regrettably, due to the absolutely monstrous, cruel and downright ****ing inhuman termination regime that existed in Ireland at the time, because there was no immediate and imminent threat to her life, she and her husband had to take a commercial flight to England, to have the termination performed at a Women's Healthcare facility in Essex, all while she was feeling very ill, before returning home the next day on another no frills service with the remains of their child that never could be, in a vacuum bag within a small insulated box.

    Don't ever insult my intelligence again by claiming abortion is not a healthcare issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Oh grow the hell up. Life's infinitely more complex than that pea brained so called 'pro life" comment could ever countenance. There are multitudes of physical medical reasons for needing an abortion without touching on the psychological reasons. Any absolutist reasoning is the refuge of a ducking moron who has never lived a day in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    Which is a case very much in the minority.

    You didn't read my comment properly. I said in almost all cases abortion has nothing to do with healthcare, and it doesn't.

    The reason abortion get's legalized is not for any healthcare issue, it's for convenience of the women who doesn't want to have a baby.

    If the abortion laws only existed for cases like you highlighted above then obviously abortion would be a health care issue but as we all know it doesn't .



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