Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

anyway as for the actual thread topic; namely you asked about the equal status act and I can confirm the act extends to all private schools. Religious or otherwise. You are not allowed to deny anyone access to education based on their gender or sexual orientation.

26-01-2023 8:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162279#Comment_120162279

Okay there’s a big difference between what’s in the national curriculum and school admission policies isn’t there?

no school is obliged at present to teach students about LGBT anything. That is set to change in the future and be included in sex ed as I understand. Once it becomes part of the national curriculum all schools will be required to teach it whether they like it or not.

your religious affiliation is irrelevant. Catholics don’t believe in contraception but it was taught when I was in school both primary & secondary. How the parish priest felt was irrelevant.

xxxxxxl · 26-01-2023 8:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162288#Comment_120162288

That's a grey area though. I was speaking more of stuff coming down the line now. How will the sex education syllabus be enforced. Take a Christian brother school, Mormons, Evangelicals, Muslims. Is the Protection from the constitution going to be removed. And if not how do you deal with non compliance.

sporina · 26-01-2023 8:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162240#Comment_120162240

i think he has - his parents... though I know - he is an adult now - but seems he's been brainwashed his whole life

Annasopra · 26-01-2023 8:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162217#Comment_120162217

Are you not able to do your own research?

kazamo · 26-01-2023 9:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162223#Comment_120162223

maybe do some crowdfunding and buy him a little hut he can sit in when it’s raining ……we could sell advertising space on the hut to fund his 700 a day habit

26-01-2023 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162056#Comment_120162056

There is no opt out for equality legislation

Annasopra · 26-01-2023 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162309#Comment_120162309

All sorts of nonsense mad red herrings. Schools teach about abortion, contraception, divorce, LGBTQ+ issues already.

26-01-2023 9:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162309#Comment_120162309

There’s no line in the constitution which states or even implies the right to deny a child to an education in line with the national curriculum regardless of your religious affiliation.

The protections to religious freedmen afforded by the constitution do not supersede the laws of the land. A good example would be multiple marriages those are not allowed in Ireland but that does not mean you’re free to do so because you’re Muslim here. That’s not meaning you’re not free to practice your religion just you don’t get to break the law in the name of it.

So no matter how many times you ask or how many different ways you confuse the national curriculum with the Equal Status Act and school admission policies when it becomes part of the curriculum it will be taught regardless of which God you call your school after.

26-01-2023 9:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162339#Comment_120162339

As you have often done, you are equivocating your lack of knowledge or understanding of a topic as a basis for a false equivalence and keep repeating your argument ad nauseum to the point of trolling. On that basis I'm just going to keep reporting your trolling from this point on

By all means, educate yourself on the topic instead, it would certainly raise the level of conversation

FoxForce5 · 26-01-2023 9:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162118#Comment_120162118

Omg, you said there were no entitlements in the Irish constitution and there is literally one in the 2nd article. Maybe leave the law lectures to those who bother to read it like Enoch and Ammi.

xxxxxxl · 26-01-2023 9:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162361#Comment_120162361

It's not a false equivalence that all schools should be compliant.

pjohnson · 26-01-2023 9:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162362#Comment_120162362

Well if either knew the law they wouldn't have got laughed out of court.

xxxxxxl · 26-01-2023 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162375#Comment_120162375

My point is Religion should not come into it what ever flavour it is.

pjohnson · 26-01-2023 9:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162357#Comment_120162357

Thread is actually about a former teacher who got himself fired over being a gobshìte and is still lurking around the school.

I can see how the title is very confusing. Explains your constant issue and repition.

xxxxxxl · 26-01-2023 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162392#Comment_120162392

No the thread is about a man who had an argument over LGBT issues in public with a principal.

PeadarCo · 26-01-2023 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162351#Comment_120162351

All this talk about the equalities Act/trans gender/LGBT etc is a complete red herring and strawman. If Burke really believes this there are lots of valid legal avenues to challenge this.

A bigger issue and the core problem from the start is that Enoch Burke thinks the law of the land does not apply to him. If you read what he's said over the last 6 months or so, something that keeps coming up is that he believes that the courts have no authority over him because of his beliefs. It's why he hasn't gone through the effort of challenging his original problem via the appropriate avenues.

That means this is not going to end well for because it would set a precedent that if you hold out long enough you can ignore court orders. It's a direct challenge to the authority of the state. That's not going to be tolerated.

26-01-2023 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162395#Comment_120162395

I agree they are irrelevant. The poster was confused about these things so I rectified their confusion.

As for Burke you have absolutely nailed it frankly. He is not going to get away with this because as you pointed out he’s setting a precedent for this behaviour being tolerated if you can stomach the media attention and few months in prison.

What’s honestly even more frightening is the precedent of idea being set that being disciplined by your work is not an issue or something to respect. You’ll have workplaces with loons showing up for jobs they were sacked from and basic workplace respect would be out the window for those who’ve demonstrated— on this very thread that basic respect to fellow people is “woke” and “couldn’t be me” type attitudes.

It won’t end well because it can’t end well. The damage to the High Courts own reputation and authority at the very least would be irreparable.

Former Former Former · 26-01-2023 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162394#Comment_120162394

"Argument" implies two people involved. Teachers argue with principals all the time.

The words you're looking for are "harassment and intimidation".

paul71 · 26-01-2023 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162362#Comment_120162362

Pretty much any gobshite can be taught to read, comprension is a different matter. Enoch and Ammi demonstrate this admirably in their utterly pathetic and comical performances in our courts.

FoxForce5 · 26-01-2023 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162430#Comment_120162430

Very true but if a poster is going to "quote scripture" at others they better know their stuff. Claiming the know that there are no entitlements in the Irish constitution despite article 2 being an entitlement shows a distinct lack of knowledge. Methinks Ammi would do slightly better.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-01-2023 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162226#Comment_120162226

One more reason for kicking religion out of State education.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162362#Comment_120162362

Here's what I said:

What is being challenged here are his religious ''entitlements" '

You just decided to completely ignore that, focus in on the word 'entitlements' and run with the first thing you saw with the word and hope I didn't notice.

Well, I did.

paul71 · 26-01-2023 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162453#Comment_120162453

Methinks Ammi could not get 2 words into a sentence without launching into a screaming diatribe.

FoxForce5 · 26-01-2023 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162457#Comment_120162457

Actually what you said was "And there is no clause in the Constitution that protects entitlements.". You said "entitlements" not "religious entitlements". You've been "caught rapid" as they say in multyfarnham.

Beasty · 26-01-2023 9:49pm

xxxxxxl threadbanned

edit - upgraded to permanent siteban

BattleCorp · 26-01-2023 10:01pm

Personally I wouldn't have sacked Enoch Burke for the row he had with the Principal at the school function. Disciplinary action certainly, followed by a lesser sanction than dismissal would have been what I would have given him. Maybe a written/final written warning. If he continued to act the boll1x, then I'd have started further disciplinary action with sacking on the table.

That said, his acting the boll1x after the suspension leaves me with no sympathy for him. Absolutely none. I've no problem with the book being thrown at him. He was actually in a winning position in court where the Judge as about to give him his injunction against the School if he said he'd abide by the School's injunction to stay away but his feckin mouth screwed him out of that victory.

I would like to be wrong but I can see Burke being somewhat successful in court as the School may not have followed procedure in that they drew up a report that had findings and conclusions in it without getting Burke's side of the story so that may be a flawed report and it's based on that report that the disciplinary committee decided he was guilty and should be dismissed. Another thing in Burke's favour is that the report may have been discussed at a meeting prior to the disciplinary meeting. This would be a no no as Burke should be present at such a meeting and he wasn't invited. This mightn't be the correct analogy but it's akin to discussing the evidence with the jury before the defendant and his legal team are there to determine if what's being discussed is correct.

The two things I've mentioned seem like small things but the onus is on the School to follow procedures to the letter and it looks like there's a slight chink in their armour there.

Will Burke want his job back or would he rather a heap of compensation? I don't think he'd be happy with any amount of money. I reckon he wants his job back so that he can 'stick it to the man'. Will he get his job back? He has about the same odds of that happening as I have of being elected the next Pope.

Even if he wins everything he wants, I wonder where he'll go from there because I doubt any school would touch him with a barge pole.

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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