Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I'm sure there is negotiating and some bargaining to be had to suit everyone,

It's possible they can transfer vipers out of their own stocks or Lockheed produces new ones from orders already being prepped,we might have to wait and see , can't see them coming from the national guard,but can't rule it out either

The putin sh1t lickers aren't in the least bit happy with that statement!🤣

Many eu countries, which happen to also be nato countries are making use of an EU finance structure which refunds money spent by these EU states on the war in Ukraine.

You dont get to attribute the credit due to EU taxpayers, such as myself in a non-nato country, to nato.

When France sends a caesar, France can then get money back from Brussels for this expense, and I (Irish) pay into that pot through my taxes, as do Swedes, Finns, Austrians and Maltese. None of us associated with Nato.

This applies for panzerhaubitze 2000s, Polish owned Leopards, you name it. EU states both in and out of nato. All can claim from Brussels for this expense, and all EU citizens pay in for this expense.

The EU is spending on Ukraine.

The US is spending on Ukraine.

Japan is spending on Ukraine.

Nato is not spending, much that I know of, on Ukraine.

Haven't seen this mentioned much,Turkish ship hit (allegedly) by the russians!!

It's small escalations which russia is unable to respond to, Ukraine effectively has a no-fly zone in effect given their AA systems, next step is to give them modern offensive air power.

And we'll have them on here crying about Ukraine getting more weapons and just wanting peace (and Donetsk and Crimea and a bit of Luhansk).

But nato is composed of/includes EU countries.

So how are you pulling the two categories apart.

How can you say nato spent x but eu spent y, when nato includes some EU members.

Plus EU contains non-nato members. And those non-nato members pay into the EU.

(Do I own some stocks/shares in nato that I never even knew about? Is nato the holding company of EU inc.)

I pay taxes, some of which go to the EU peace facility. Which pays into ukraine indirectly.

Natos not getting credit for my taxes. My countrys not in nato. But my countrys taxes are in Ukraine. Via the EU.

Its just as ridiculous as saying negotiations will only begin once Russia withdraws from all disputed territories. But both sides need to meet and sort out something that stops this war, otherwise there'll be a lot more dead on both sides.

Bla bla bla, went out for a pint tonight. A lad sat beside me. 70+ years of age. The US was using Ukraine as a proxy. Bla bla bla you cannot believe anything, it's all propaganda.

Sorry where is your source that Ukraine is grabbing people off the street. It's not reported by any news channel, Ukraine has every major news channel working out of there.

Put up the source. Neither have I seen a source that has stated that Ukraine has similar losses to the Russians. Again source please.

Bla bla bla

When this was posted before, the source provided was of a Twitter account of a Russian guy living in the UK, who retweeted from an account that no longer exists.

If it was a Hungarian statement then you should be able to link to the source.

The US never mentioned Ukrainian casualties, it was an off the cuff remark by a US general at some economic forum who was scaulded by his superiors for making similar remarks.

Ursula mentioned the figure also and the Ukrainian defence forces had to come out the next day with a figure (12-15k can't remember off the top of my head)

But certain people and posters seem to cling on to the 100k figure. Pure copium.

We've heard the same drivel from posters before, last one was teenagers and elderly people being dragged off the streets and placed on the Frontline, again with zero evidence.

Hungary has been complaining about the "ethnic cleansing" of Hungarians in Ukraine for a long time. Apparently in this war they are being rounded up and sent to places like Soledar where they suffer high casualty rates. Again, videos exist of Hungarians in Transcarpathia being taken by Ukrainian army personnel. Hungarian newspapers have been covering it recently.

The US general you refer to is the most senior general. And he is not the only one to claim over 100,000 Ukrainian army deaths. As you said, the president of the European Commision also stated that number, and an interview by Ukrainian journalist Roman Revedzhuk with the deputy commander of the 2nd brigade of the Ukrainian National Guard talk of losses of 140,000. Surely you must know the official figure out out by Ukraine of I think around 13,000 KIA is complete BS? As for copium, I wish the number on both sides was 0, negotiations are the only chance at stopping the high nbers of dead on both sides from growing, but apparently everyone here on boards wants to see the war continue.

And there are many videos of Ukrainians, Hungarians etc being taken off the streets, I don't even know why you are disputing that? Ukraine brought in conscription for any males between 18 and 60 ages ago, did you all think that it wouldn't be enforced? People are using WhatsApp and other social media in Ukraine to warn others where soldiers are setting up roadblocks or what supermarkets etc the soldiers are at enforcing conception so that people have a chance of avoiding them.

It seems to me that most on here just want to be in an echo chamber where they shout slava Ukrainii and discuss how good Zelenskiis cock tastes rather than acknowledge the facts on the ground.

When ever I hear red line I think about Obama and his red line in Syria…..

You are not correct. Why?

Because if a member of NATO was attacked then NATO would be taking a lead role and ‘dictating’ coordinating how all NATO members would ‘respond ‘ in using

in the current case a NATO member was not attacked. Each state decided how to respond unilaterally and slowly, slowly, slowly they then started to ‘coordinate ‘ their efforts. Another point - if NATO was currently leading then how come that Germany said that it would not supply leopard tanks to the Ukr if the US did not do something similar?

If NATO were really leading then would there not be ‘boots on the ground’ and mush more ARMS being used - which ARE available to them - to really defeat the aggressor.

yes NATO is ‘calling/ chairing ‘ those meetings but is that at the request of the suppliers of equipment to the ‘cause’ because it would have a better overall view of. What’s going on and how to ‘manage’ it

You made a claim. I believe it to be false, and you were asked to back it up. The rules of forum dictate that you must. You cannot back out of telling a lie by telling someone that you are not their PA.

If you were in Putins boots then what would you be looking for/settle for?