Russia - threadbanned users in OP

20Wheel · 27-01-2023 1:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163310#Comment_120163310

But nato is composed of/includes EU countries.

So how are you pulling the two categories apart.

How can you say nato spent x but eu spent y, when nato includes some EU members.

Plus EU contains non-nato members. And those non-nato members pay into the EU.

(Do I own some stocks/shares in nato that I never even knew about? Is nato the holding company of EU inc.)

I pay taxes, some of which go to the EU peace facility. Which pays into ukraine indirectly.

Natos not getting credit for my taxes. My countrys not in nato. But my countrys taxes are in Ukraine. Via the EU.

BorneTobyWilde · 27-01-2023 2:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163473#Comment_120163473

Russia '' Surrender, and give us your country, that's the deal'' How the fck is that negotiation.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 2:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163491#Comment_120163491

Its just as ridiculous as saying negotiations will only begin once Russia withdraws from all disputed territories. But both sides need to meet and sort out something that stops this war, otherwise there'll be a lot more dead on both sides.

Polar101 · 27-01-2023 2:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163284#Comment_120163284

The ship has been stuck in Kherson since February along with a few others, so it's not surprising one of them eventually got hit. I doubt we'll hear much about this from Turkey.

Bass Reeves · 27-01-2023 2:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163465#Comment_120163465

Bla bla bla, went out for a pint tonight. A lad sat beside me. 70+ years of age. The US was using Ukraine as a proxy. Bla bla bla you cannot believe anything, it's all propaganda.

Sorry where is your source that Ukraine is grabbing people off the street. It's not reported by any news channel, Ukraine has every major news channel working out of there.

Put up the source. Neither have I seen a source that has stated that Ukraine has similar losses to the Russians. Again source please.

Bla bla bla

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 2:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163497#Comment_120163497

There's plenty of videos of Ukrainian army pulling men off the street at gunpoint. Hungary even made a statement today complaining of Hungarians in Ukraine being carted off to be sent to war.

The US is using Ukraine as a proxy, Ukrainian officials have stated such in interviews.

The US estimate of casualties was in November, I don't know what their current estimate of Ukrainian casualties (KIA) is but they've upped their current estimate of Russian casualties (KIA) to 150,000. After the serious fighting in Soledar, Bakhmut and surrounding areas I'd imagine even current US estimates of Ukrainian casualties must be significantly higher than 100,000. Reposters from both Spain and Italy who were on the front lines in Bakhmut stated between 200-500 Ukrainian soldiers were being killed daily there.

That you seem to be unaware of all this suggests perhaps you aren't as well informed on the situation there as you seem to think you are.

josip · 27-01-2023 2:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163497#Comment_120163497

When this was posted before, the source provided was of a Twitter account of a Russian guy living in the UK, who retweeted from an account that no longer exists.

Bass Reeves · 27-01-2023 2:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163510#Comment_120163510

I said put up the source. Preferably from verifiable news source

Bla bla bla

Wolf359f · 27-01-2023 3:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163510#Comment_120163510

If it was a Hungarian statement then you should be able to link to the source.

The US never mentioned Ukrainian casualties, it was an off the cuff remark by a US general at some economic forum who was scaulded by his superiors for making similar remarks.

Ursula mentioned the figure also and the Ukrainian defence forces had to come out the next day with a figure (12-15k can't remember off the top of my head)

But certain people and posters seem to cling on to the 100k figure. Pure copium.

We've heard the same drivel from posters before, last one was teenagers and elderly people being dragged off the streets and placed on the Frontline, again with zero evidence.

RoyalCelt · 27-01-2023 4:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163465#Comment_120163465

How have both lost similar when only one side has been throwing wave after wave at fortified positions since a year ago.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 5:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163535#Comment_120163535

Hungary has been complaining about the "ethnic cleansing" of Hungarians in Ukraine for a long time. Apparently in this war they are being rounded up and sent to places like Soledar where they suffer high casualty rates. Again, videos exist of Hungarians in Transcarpathia being taken by Ukrainian army personnel. Hungarian newspapers have been covering it recently.

The US general you refer to is the most senior general. And he is not the only one to claim over 100,000 Ukrainian army deaths. As you said, the president of the European Commision also stated that number, and an interview by Ukrainian journalist Roman Revedzhuk with the deputy commander of the 2nd brigade of the Ukrainian National Guard talk of losses of 140,000. Surely you must know the official figure out out by Ukraine of I think around 13,000 KIA is complete BS? As for copium, I wish the number on both sides was 0, negotiations are the only chance at stopping the high nbers of dead on both sides from growing, but apparently everyone here on boards wants to see the war continue.

And there are many videos of Ukrainians, Hungarians etc being taken off the streets, I don't even know why you are disputing that? Ukraine brought in conscription for any males between 18 and 60 ages ago, did you all think that it wouldn't be enforced? People are using WhatsApp and other social media in Ukraine to warn others where soldiers are setting up roadblocks or what supermarkets etc the soldiers are at enforcing conception so that people have a chance of avoiding them.

It seems to me that most on here just want to be in an echo chamber where they shout slava Ukrainii and discuss how good Zelenskiis cock tastes rather than acknowledge the facts on the ground.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 5:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163559#Comment_120163559

Those are US figures, perhaps ask them. Though I'd imagine having between 20,000 and 60,000 artillery rounds a day hitting your positions will tend to lead to some casualties.

EltonJohn69 · 27-01-2023 5:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163218#Comment_120163218

When ever I hear red line I think about Obama and his red line in Syria…..

DOCARCH · 27-01-2023 7:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163567#Comment_120163567

'enforcing conception'

😂 Population replenishment? One way to bolster the army long term.

Field east · 27-01-2023 8:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162631#Comment_120162631

You are not correct. Why?

Because if a member of NATO was attacked then NATO would be taking a lead role and ‘dictating’ coordinating how all NATO members would ‘respond ‘ in using

in the current case a NATO member was not attacked. Each state decided how to respond unilaterally and slowly, slowly, slowly they then started to ‘coordinate ‘ their efforts. Another point - if NATO was currently leading then how come that Germany said that it would not supply leopard tanks to the Ukr if the US did not do something similar?

If NATO were really leading then would there not be ‘boots on the ground’ and mush more ARMS being used - which ARE available to them - to really defeat the aggressor.

yes NATO is ‘calling/ chairing ‘ those meetings but is that at the request of the suppliers of equipment to the ‘cause’ because it would have a better overall view of. What’s going on and how to ‘manage’ it

Field east · 27-01-2023 8:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162981#Comment_120162981

A leopard - the human type- does not change its spots. Russia has weaponised sports the decades. It’s another way that RussiaPutin - xespecially when they win - shows how Russia is superior /strong/ better than other nations

paul71 · 27-01-2023 9:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163522#Comment_120163522

You made a claim. I believe it to be false, and you were asked to back it up. The rules of forum dictate that you must. You cannot back out of telling a lie by telling someone that you are not their PA.

Igotadose · 27-01-2023 9:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163138#Comment_120163138

Said Bojo could be ambassador to the Ukraine some day, too.

Field east · 27-01-2023 9:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163494#Comment_120163494

If you were in Putins boots then what would you be looking for/settle for?

Wolf359f · 27-01-2023 9:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163567#Comment_120163567

Again if it's all over social media then provide the links. It's the same tripe posted here time and time again. When the poster is asked for proof they suddenly deflect etc...

Initially you said Hungary said it.... Now you can't post the source, so it's gone to social media says it.... But of course you can't provide a single link.

How could the causality figures be equal when one side has lost (been destroyed) 3x times the vehicles and equipment. That's visually verified vehicles.

Russia hasn't fired 60k shells in a single day since last February, again more bullshit from yourself.

27-01-2023 9:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163449#Comment_120163449

When this war ends,Russia will have very few men left you mean

Ukraine have population of over 40 million,and have 7 million fit for service annually,they can do this all day long,

Russia will also have 2 new NATO members on their borders,an economy weakened by sanctions and price caps,their miilitary even worse with old soviet era equipment in storage thats useless against western equipment,and takes months to restore.

Russias military equipment will probably sell faster on ebay in the future

Why do you think Russia is looking to increase their standing army to 1,5 million the next 3-5 years

And why do you think 700000 ran away from mobilization

Gatling · 27-01-2023 9:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163711#Comment_120163711

Wouldn't be one bit surprised if it happens,

Seems to be quiet popular with the Ukrainans

Gatling · 27-01-2023 9:36am

Another 60 modernized Soviet era tanks Heading to Ukraine via Poland

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1618883419987124225?s=20&t=oO0vJlyhykyOxwTRzxBbsQ

27-01-2023 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163796#Comment_120163796

PT-91 is probably the best modernized t72 version available,even better than Russias upgraded versions

Podge_irl · 27-01-2023 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163510#Comment_120163510

Casualties =/= KIA

This is a pretty basic mistake, so its hard to take anything else you say seriously.

Sleepy · 27-01-2023 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163711#Comment_120163711

To be fair, that was hardly his suggestion, he was backed into a corner by the interviewer there. Obviously Johnson still has friends in Sky News.

If Johnson was Ukrainian, it's highly likely he'd have been shot for treason long ago. It's a shame the UK are so tolerant of corruption and disgraced politicians.

Economics101 · 27-01-2023 10:20am

More reaction to Geoffrey Roberts in to-day's I.T. Inevitably one from the chief clown in the Useful Idiot Circus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2023/01/27/russias-war-on-ukraine/

EltonJohn69 · 27-01-2023 10:25am

The French have announced they will be sending 250 Saint Chamond battle tanks. Best tank in the business in my opinion.

Sunny Disposition · 27-01-2023 10:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163924#Comment_120163924

Read this guy's article and heard him on Radio 1 the same day.

He made very strange arguments, on the radio he said the west are "fighting to the last Ukrainian" as if the Ukrainians themsevles actually want to surrender. He also said Russia is winning the war, even though it has loss around half the territory it once had. Crazy stuff. In the article he mentioned restraint by Putin, but no mention of the massacres of civilians in Irpin. When the radio presenter put it to him that the Russians are comparable to Nazis he said they were not, but didn't take the opportunity to say their actions are indefensible. In fact at one point he stressed the level of support for Russia in the east of the country.

It was car crash stuff on Radio 1, the presenter was clearly very irritated by this raimeis.

I would suspect that the Professor is not a Russian asset or anything like that, but can't bear to see the country he has spent so long studying losing all its credibility.

Curious_Case · 27-01-2023 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163449#Comment_120163449

What you really mean is let's stop now while Russia still holds some land but pretend it's for the sake of Ukraine

You people will become increasingly more "conscientious" as the modern tanks begin to decimate Russian lines

Very similar to Trump wanting to stop the vote count before it turned

How can Ukrainians and Russians be one people? the Ukrainians are intelligent and noble

Wibbs · 27-01-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163456#Comment_120163456

To get some idea of the "future" three things can be useful to look at: Forget politics and sides, look at results. Always follow the money. Demographics speak volumes.

Russia's population was already in steep decline. To attempt to reverse this in the last twenty years the Russian government pays women to have kids, with tax breaks, one off payments(nearly 7000 €) and other incentives. That's how worried they are. Rightfully. Now a similar drop in birthrates is in play in many parts of Europe, but for different reasons(the US birthrate is pretty much flat and stable China's screwed longterm). As people and especially women get wealthier they have fewer kids which is in play in Europe, but in Russia even poorer women are having fewer kids.

More, people are actively leaving Russia, whereas people are actively moving to, or trying to move to Europe. The ironic joke on putin is he's adding to that with the millions of Ukrainians, majority women and kids pushed into Europe by his war, a large number of whom will likely stay on. Never mind the losses of [insert number you feel happy with here] young Russian men.

As for ratios of losses, I'd believe either side's figures about as far as I could throw them. Hell, researchers are still debating casualty figures for long over wars of the past. About all we can be sure of tens of thousands have been, are being and will be killed and injured, Ukrainian and Russian. If it comes down to attrition war, it'll be the one who "blinks" first that will be the loser in this. Ukrainian supporters feel Ukraine are more protective of their fighting men and women, but Russian supporters feel the same. Yep. They use the example of withdrawal from Kherson(which IMHO was a sensible tactical move from Russia). That's the regular army though. On the other hand we have Wagner, who appear to use their convict/press ganged troops as cannon fodder, send them in in waves to expose and distract Ukrainian positions, while their much better trained and equipped own troops press that advantage.

One guy I'm subbed to is an Australian ex military lad who has tried to dig behind the headlines and has a load of interviews with different people on the ground and has been on the ground himself. He even tried to get into the Russian held side of things, even though the Ukrainians told him he wouldn't be welcomed back if he did. The Russians refused his request. Well shocked I was to hear that, shocked... This is his latest interview, but his other vids and a there are a lot of them are well worth a look IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZpYglZrW4

The guy in this example has his spin, one I'm dubious about. His other interviewees don't seek anonymity for a start, but the general overall gist is that this conflict has become a grinding war of attrition in spots, with a fairly "stable" front over much of it and both are consolidating their fronts, with no obvious sign of another Kherson. That Russia has more hope of pressing forward, than Ukraine has of counterattacking. For the moment.

For me, my outlook remains pretty much the same as it has from around the time of the fall of Mariupol. The Russians and their supporters seem convinced that they'll eventually take and hold Ukrainian land up to the Dnieper river, The Ukrainians and their supporters seem convinced they'll eventually drive Russia back to pre 2014 borders and take Crimea. IMHO both are sniffing glue and barring a major change it'll end up with Russia holding much of Donbas, with Crimea not even on the table(even if they lost everything else and putin fell out a window they'd put all of what's left on holding Crimea). A "result" that Russia if it had any braincells to rub together strategically and tactically should have gone for in the first place, rather than their Hail Mary, we'll take this in a week, multiple fronts they simply hadn't the power or skills to achieve. The land bridge between the two is what would be up for debate and grabs and when it's all done and dusted with many more dead it'll be a North/South Korea vibe, with a DMZ between the territories.

timmyntc · 27-01-2023 11:07am

Russians have begun an attack on Toretsk

It's one of the heavily fortified areas on the original frozen line of contact in the Donbass, so a frontal assault would be profoundly stupid but that clearly is no reason to rule it out

The only importance of taking Toretsk and New York is that they are both used as positions to shell Horlivka - but as a strategic position for further advancement into Donetsk oblast... there isnt any really. It doesnt have much in the way of resources, it doesnt sit on any transport arteries.

RoyalCelt · 27-01-2023 11:15am

I didn't think Russia could escalate these attacked but between attacking new areas of the Donbass and the south they have. They must be ploughing through their mobilised.

We could be looking at 250k dead Russians for 2023 alone at the rate we're going. Definitely another mobilisation coming soon if they ever stopped in the first place.

All that's left now is another attack from Belarus which will result in massive casualties. Ukraine just digging in as deep as possible until it actually makes sense to attack.

Wibbs · 27-01-2023 11:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163218#Comment_120163218

I'm still not getting this hard on for fighters. How do you achieve air superiority? If you're the US you have the sheer numbers and sophistication and integration of their forces including their air force to do it. Neither side in this conflict has that, nor will get that.

What has happened is Ukrainian airspace is denied to Russian overflights by their AA batteries. AA that's capable of taking out faster, smaller, running lower Russian missiles. Russian aircraft would be a turkey shoot. And vice versa. If Ukraine got 100 F-16's in the morning(one of the least useful platforms practicalities wise) they still couldn't risk over flying Russian held airspace because of their AA defences. Russia for her part relies on bombers launching missiles at ground targets from outside Ukrainian air defences, while Russian Mig-31's fly outside the same air defences at very high altitudes and speeds lobbing AA missiles at anything that pops up on their radars(mostly getting mission kills as Ukrainian jets see them coming and leg it).

Whatever about the very early days when both sides aircraft were overflying the other's airspace and lots of vids and pics of downed aircraft were seen, things have changed radically. What we're seeing now are helicopters and ground attack fixed wing kit being seen and/or taken down along the front. It's not the messy free for all it once was where oh how we had the craic with Ukrainian tractors driving off with Russian tanks. This is a dug in war, where both sides have adapted to each other.

Ten AA systems are worth far more than one F-16 and far cheaper, far easier to maintain, far easier to train on and far easier to move around and deny far more of the ability of Russian air systems, aircraft and missiles to operate. F-16's are great for America, air shows to impress the public and lads who build Airfix kits as a hobby. In Ukraine today? Not so much.

Francie Barrett · 27-01-2023 11:30am

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1618826252345032704

It looks like the Russians want to take Vuhledar at all costs.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163585#Comment_120163585

I'm not sure that the Kremlin really cares enough about what is being discussed on an Irish social media website to bother wasting resources on it.

What is it in your mind that makes me a Kremlin agent/supporter? What exactly have I said? Everyone on here seems to take issue with me saying that the war should stop as soon as possible and that negotiations are probably the best way to secure peace. Is wanting peace something that only a Kremljn agent would want? If you think its true that the Kremlin wants peace and Nato wants war than maybe you wanna have a think about whether who you support really is the "good guy" in this situation.

Cab someone not hold a different position to you without them being an agent of a foreign state? Seems like you've been well and truly brainwashed, bet you bought into the whole "ghost of Kiev" BS didn't you!

I'll state it here, I'm not pro Russia or pro Ukraine. What is happening there is a tragedy. I want peace and think that will only happen by one of two methods: first if one side annihilated the other, the second is negotiations. I would prefer negotiations. If you can see a third way to secure peace and end this war, by all means post it and it might change my mind.

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163632#Comment_120163632

Yeah meant conscription, autocorrect did a number on me there!

Podge_irl · 27-01-2023 11:40am

Negotiations over what exactly?

Wibbs · 27-01-2023 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163810#Comment_120163810

And handily, unlike Abrams, Leopards, etc, uses the same ammo and most of the spares that Ukrainians logistics, maintenance and crews have, use and know about.

timmyntc · 27-01-2023 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164254#Comment_120164254

Fighter jets are great for force projection using US aircraft carriers halfway across the world, but in a contested airspace with huge amounts of AA batteries and the very high prevalence of MANPADs its a different story.

Also if Ukraine were given fighter jets, whats to stop NATO from supplying pilots too? Sure you'd only ever find out the pilots weren't Ukrainian if they crashland in enemy territory

Fighting Tao · 27-01-2023 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164291#Comment_120164291

Maybe because you sing from the exact same hymn sheet as so many others before you.

In your world of pink fluffy clouds and unicorns, how can negotiations occur when the aggressor, you know the one who rapes, kidnaps, murders, terrorises children, women and men wants to continue doing so?

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163708#Comment_120163708

What did I state that's a lie? The statements may not suit your personal beliefs but they are true. Does no one here actually pay any attention to what is going on over there, is a just reading the headlines and never looking deeper? Ffs several of the things I've mentioned have even been shown on the BBC, its not like I'm saying you should watch RT 24 hours a day. If you want to, try to prove if anything I've said is a lie. But I bet doing the smallest amount of research on too much for you, just belive the headlines. I'll throw you a bone, the Ukrainian Defense minister who stated that Ukraine is a "defacto Nato member" is named Oleksii Reznikov. Look him up and you'll find some interesting interviews he has given. Though honestly, even without anyone admitted this is a Nato vs Russia war surely you can see that with your own eyes?

paul71 · 27-01-2023 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164348#Comment_120164348

You stated Ukraine is pulling men of the streets at gunpoint to serve in the army. I stand by my statement that that is a direct lie.

dennis72 · 27-01-2023 11:47am

To all that reside/supporters at Orwell Rd embassy go home...

Mr Nobody's war of personal gravitation is over

Why he isn't shot 120k dead

Tanks to allies continued unity

Francie Barrett · 27-01-2023 11:48am

https://t.me/vert_i_call/8314

I'm reporting from Bakhmut.

It is already clear that the main target of the faggots is Konstakha. They got close to the road until we let them get closer, but the faggots dug in behind Klishchiyivka, towards the road. They are trying to push us back with the heavy weapons and fly into Konstakha itself. The situation is difficult south of Bakhmut, but we are holding it back to the north, Zabakhmutka is fine. As I see it, the main forces have been taken to blockade the city in order to try to launch a massive assault later.

The only threat to Konstakha now is from Arta, and it depends on Vuhledar. If they hold it there, we will not let them approach the city here either. The main thing is not to be squeezed from both sides.

We are at war, but what else is there to do?

Sleepy · 27-01-2023 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164291#Comment_120164291

Russia could pull back to their own internationally recognised borders, hand over Putin and his senior officials to the Hague to be tried for war crimes and begin negotiations with Ukraine over repartitions.

Until they're ready to do that, the most acceptable path forward is to provide Ukraine with everything it needs to slaughter the invaders and drive them back to the aforementioned internationally recognised borders.

There's no "both sides" to this conflict. An imperialistic, mafia-run state has invaded it's neighbour and raped, tortured and murdered civilians . This is as clear a case of "goodies vs baddies" as you'll get outside of a children's cartoon.

Bass Reeves · 27-01-2023 11:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164152#Comment_120164152

Winter will always slow down a war. Up until the 20th century very few wars continued throughout a winter. In Ukraine at present both sides are dug in and mobility is denied due to the weather.

However when you look at late last summer when they had mobility the UA was really pushing and hitting the Russians hard

I expect this to happen again from April on. I think the armoured capability that UA is now getting will allow it to break through fixed Russian positions. The country is too vast you would need a Maginot line type defence for Russia to hold.

Now I may be wrong. Maybe Russia will find enough tanks, artillery, missiles troops and ammunition to hold and counterattack. Maybe the Iranian zones will came back into play. However I think there technology is decades behind what the UA is now getting.

The Bradley's are well capable of taking on the best of the Russian tanks if they have any left, the MBT's now arriving will wipe out anything within there range before they can get in range.

In demographic's ya Russia has a serious issue even if they win they lose.

Curious_Case · 27-01-2023 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164348#Comment_120164348

Of course it's a NATO/Russia proxy but it wouldn't be anything if Russia hadn't invaded

Origin of supplied weapons doesn't change the fact that the aggressor is the aggressor and the victim is the victim

Itsame Mario · 27-01-2023 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120163782#Comment_120163782

Both sides have lost huge numbers of men and will continue to hntil the war ends, which is why I say it is best for peace to prevail, something that seems to be a controversial opinion on here.

Bitcoin · 27-01-2023 12:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164370#Comment_120164370

I think we have moved far beyond the notion that the orcs simply need to withdraw back to their own borders.

Demilitarised zone around Ukraine (on orc soil)
Orc energy reserves to be placed under the control of Ukraine until their country is rebuilt
Dissolution of the illegitimate terrorist state that is known as the "Russian Federation"

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