Russia - threadbanned users in OP

If Putin wins, there wont be any Ukrainians, Men, Women or Children left alive. Because that's his plan for Ukraine, and if he succeeds, what's his next plan? Poland, East Germany? Baltic States?? One thing is for sure, he will continue to make trouble for the west, and not only the west, but worldwide. Putin has to be stopped dead in his tracks once and for all, no matter how high the price. Failure to do so now will mean an even higher price in future. This is an inescapable fact.

Of course not, you're getting them at the morning briefing along with the talking points. How's the gates? Did they do a good job fitting them back on? Is the place warm or are you still having problems sourcing heating oil?

Sure Mario, now just tell Putin to get his army out of Ukraine, and the bloodletting can stop immediately, then all the time in the world to discuss the future. No problem!!! Slava Ukraini

Another elephant in your room is that Russia doesn’t adhere to pacts/agreements.

So add that to the fact that the aggressor has no intention of peace.

So please tell how negotiations would work?

Finally Belgium is waking up a bit, the article is paywalled, but to steal a comment:

"Details of Belgium's February military aid package to Ukraine:

• 42 x IVECO LMV Lynx trucks - €609.000 (38 more in August)

• 15 x AMRAAM - €37.445.398

• 162 x RGW-90 anti-tank/anti-bunker rockets - €1.102.734

• 1260 x LAW anti-tank rockets - €3.666.663

FN Herstal will deliver (machine)guns, ammunition and accessories for a total of €49.000.000

• 150 VOLVO N10 trucks (to be sent in March)

TOTAL: +/- €92.000.000"

At least it's something.

No, have a read back the thread. People pushing for peace under Russian terms are generally Russian supporters they can’t seem to openly admit that they are secretly cheering for child/adult raping, kidnapping, terrorising, murdering, theiving bollox’s. It’s what it really comes down to. Peace now has no benefits when Russia will rip up any agreement and come back at a later date to repeat their antics. Peace can’t work when Russia does not want peace. Even if your intentions are true, logical thought process should kick in and see it at it is, without I and others having to point it out to you.

My suggestion to end the war is for Putin to get his army out of Ukraine. The war could be over today if he did that. No one bar the Russians want bloodshed, and no one can stop it right now except them.

Quote from Golda Meir " You cannot negotiate with people who are trying to kill you". Very true, and in this case, very apt!

The modern idea of combined arms like in the Gulf doesn't really work here, because aircraft cannot operate effectively. How are aircraft supposed to carpet bomb, precision bomb, how are helicopters supposed to get close enough to actually attack ground targets given the huge prevalence of AA and MANPADs in this conflict?

Peace can only come when Russia leaves Ukraine. Until then, every Ukrainian killed is a crime, every invading Russian killed something to be celebrated.

Russia, as it is today, is not worth saving. I'm sure there are millions of good Russians and I'm equally sure that their lives would be better if they weren't being "governed" by an organised crime gang. Putin and his oligarchs have stolen billions from the Russian people, wasted the lives of their young men and brutally oppressed any attempts to democratically elect an alternative government. The annihilation of the Russian people wouldn't be appealing to anyone but the end of it's current regime is not only appealing, it's necessary for global peace.

Of course you don't. As a newly registered Russian bot, you will not like to see the worst of Russian society and some unfortunate eastern Russian mobiks being mowed down at the behest of your glorious leader.

This could all stop in a heartbeat if your lot would go back to Russia and stay there, leaving everyone else alone.

If Russia aren't willing to do that, negotiations are pointless. Allowing Russia to keep any Ukrainian territory is rewarding them for their crimes and gives Putin and his thugs something they can propagandise as a win for their leadership, something that will ultimately lead to further bloodshed when they try their next attempt at Ukraine (or another of their peaceful neighbours).

The sooner negotiations can begin the better, but as negotiations can't begin until Russia leaves Ukraine, the best way to get there quickly (outside of direct intervention i.e. NATO boots on the ground which would be a *very* high risk move) is to give the Ukrainian defence forces whatever they need to kill every Russian on their land or force them to retreat back to Russia.

Also, as has been pointed out many times already, Russia can't be trusted to stick to any agreements reached in negotiations. This entire conflict is in direct contravention to the Budapest Memorandum which the Russian Federation were principal signatories of.

The "proxy war" and "NATO is prepared to fight until the last Ukrainian" lines are straight from the Kremlin. These lines are being repeated on Russian TV every night.