Winter 21/22 Eviction Ban (was: And just like that, FFFG lose 298000 votes))

The thread is mainly nonsense alright. Predominantly consisting of have-a-go landlords and their imaginary persecuted victimhood and imagined rules out to get them.

Nobody is being alienated Bass. There is just a pronounced victim mentality among a minority (although a sizeable chunk on here) who appear to think that

A) Landlords are the only people who have to pay income tax on their income

B) Renting a house is the only commercial activity where a person might not be paid what they are owed right away, or ever.

C) Landlords are unique insofar that they have no recourse to recover debt. Except of course that they only have recourse to the courts. Compared to all other commercial activities where people who are owed money have the easy option of recourse to the courts. Which landlords don't have, if you ignore that they do have it.

D) and so on and so on.

As for the mechanic comparison, it may be the case that nobody you deal with will hand over something to you until you pay for it. That is not the case in general. For some people it can be if their reputation precedes them. They may even have to pre-pay up front in extreme circumstances.

Most businesses do end up with bad debts to some extent. Feel free to explain to your contractor how lucky he is to work in a role where it is impossible for him to not be paid for a job. He won't be long putting you straight. For someone who appears to know a bit about some things, I am surprised when you appear to be completely unaware of certain basics. I am merely pointing out that many of the difficulties that landlords can encounter are also common, or have analogies, in any other commercial activity.

Well it is possible to get it through to some people that they are being overly paranoid and that the government, and everyone else, isn't out to get them simply just because they explain that they are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Most people grow out of the completely self-centred mentality by the time they hit 5 or 6. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that everyone is out to get to you. When rules and regulations are implemented, it is not because there is a cabal, sitting in a darkened room in Leinster house with photos of you on the wall, trying to come up with ways to fuc% you over personally.

And just because someone tries to logically explain to you that certain problems are normal issues which are not unique to you, does not mean that they have a hatred of you.

You might not like facts being pointed out to you, but they are facts. If you start melodramatically ranting that the government has banned you from selling you your property for example, another person who is simply explaining to you that no such ban exists is just telling you facts. If you claim that a landlord has no legal recourse to recover debts, and it is calmly pointed out to you that they have the same recourse as anyone else who is owed money, you might indeed get upset, but throwing a hissy fit and attempting ad hominem attacks are only showing yourself up.

What I really don't understand are the people who have been posting the same whinges over and over again on here for years where those whinges are based on their inability to understand simple rules and regulations and the reason for them. I honestly think a lot of it is some kind of public sector mentality that they can't understand that there are other people to take into account too.

Unfortunately you'll get these anti LL, anti everything posters on most threads. Best to not engage with them, they won't accept any logic or alternative POV. They live in their own bitter little world, expecting everything for nothing.

Very low energy as your namesake, a certain well known and controversial New York landlord would say.

Government rental legislation and the truly awful RTB (honestly I think some of the 20k social media e-communists here work for it down in Cork but the County Councils and An Bord Pleanála do even more damage to the cause of housing people well so maybe most work for them) makes it really difficult for any but major scale, foreign tax investors who have the benefit of scale and freedom from taxation. Rather than have the hassle of dealing with the RTB a lot of people with family in nursing homes, old but liveable family homes, or similar situations won't bother. It can be life shortening dealing with a problem renter. The rental market is a mess. And it is a result of a governments which over the past two or decades have decided to throttle supply in various ways and make no effort deal with demand. The reasons for that can be surmised, but that's for another thread.

Perhaps they should end the eviction ban as planned, but remove the exceptions allowing landlords to end tenancies early? To keep everyone happy.

Yep, that’d answer a lot of problems, and review the rent at that point

To the readers of this forum - my apologies. I seem to have kicked off one of these circular discussions...... Landlords are a business ....... so they should be treated as any other business ....... no they are providing an essential service (housing) ..... so they are not a business .... no Landlords are a business.......

Other businesses are regulated, but do not have a requirement to waste months in a government quango (RTB) before having access to the courts, are not required to provide service when it is clear the service recipient has no intention of paying, and are not restricted on what customers they can choose on the basis of their ability to pay for the service.

None of this matters. Whether you believe it is an unfair business environment, or Landlord moaning, it all has the same impact - less landlords, less tenancies, more expensive rents and more homelessness.

I believe the eviction ban will be renewed because of long line of landlords heading for the exits. In stead of fixing the issues and encouraging landlords to stay, they are trying to bolt the door to stop them leaving. Short term this may work, but long term it just encourages more to leave.

Totally agree. You're correct when you point out that it doesn't matter what people's opinions are, the result is an exodus of landlords and an ongoing, worsening, rental supply problem, with no end in sight. Undeniably caused by years of continuous interference in the market, making it totally unattractive for private LLs.

Answer one question. What other business provided by the private sector is forced to continue providing a service for months and months without receiving payment.

I am not referring to large corporations/businesses I am specifically asking about small owned businesses or self employed people.

Look a few posts above. The mechanic who supplies and fits a part who is not paid for it cannot take that part back and might have to watch the non-paying owner drive by every day.

Do you want some more? You only asked for one

BTW, you aren't providing a service. You have willingly taken the conscious decision to give possesion of an asset you own to someone else. Your issue is not that you are providing a service, it is that the person whom you have willingly given possession of your asset to now owes you money. You may find it easier to come to terms with the over situation if you can get your head around that first.

I believe that is going to happen too.

It doesnt effect me anymore as I am selling now and the tenants have gone, but i am really curious to see if there are any cases taken when it is extended. Temporary in Irish government terms always means permanent. Temporary is just a word they use to get around the law and kick the can down the road. Its high time they were taken to task on this.

You are correct they are. But they don't continually provide goods/services for months or even years to those who owe them money. They stop supplying the goods/services to reduce/mitigate their losses because they can.

Landlords can't this is the crux of the issue.

Its like being given a job and when it turns out to be a sh1t job anmd you want to leave you are not allowed to.

Now that I type that out it sounds like slavery :)