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Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I think someone on this thread been watching Capricorn One a little too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Neowise


    } Why send men around the moon on Artemis 1 and not land?

    Artemis 1 was unmanned, and mission was never to land.

    You might have mistakenly thought they put men on that mission, but I can assure you it was unmanned, and never a conspiracy attempt to make you believe it was manned.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26 mark blake


    Simple answer, NO, they cant do it now and didnt do it before



    space moon modules made it to the moon, man did not


    they are still testing the van allen belt, 2 dummies sent into space


    the photos are wrong, kodak chrome 64 does not act like that, photos are fake


    the netherlands gave your moon rock back when they discovered it was petrified wood




    please people tell me what I sid whong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Are you writing that as fact or as an opinion?

    Man walked on the moon in 6 separate missions

    They went through the thinnest part of the Van Allen belts, the spacecraft had shielding for radiation, animals had already been successfully sent through the Van Allen belts previously and when going through the astronauts caught a dose equivalent to several chest X-rays which was deemed an acceptable risk

    Nothing wrong with the photos/footage

    Many moon rocks came back, and were sent all over the world



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users Posts: 26 mark blake


    get it into your head they never went



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 mark blake


    your telling me the vanAllen belt is nothing to worry about?, what about sending 2 dummies to test it again in 2023, cop on



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 mark blake


    Fools want for wisdom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They had beaten the Russians in the space race and had been to the moon multiple times, each time being astronomically expensive. Cost was the main reason they haven't been back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Right yes they are twins. Silly me. Isn't it terribly convenient that two of the astronauts who were killed had identical twins to carry on their legacy and tell us how great their twin was? In addition to the 4 others who have doppelgangers walking around today who have similar/exact same name and age as the unfortunates on the ill-fated voyage? Incredible coincidence.

    Why do NASA have such a fascination on using twins in their experiments? Think it has anything to do with the Nazi's obsession with testing on twins?

    So this organisation you are fan of and defend to the bitter end - founded by a satanist and the founder of scientology, taken over by Nazis in the 40s who burned astronauts alive in Apollo 1 before being taken over by the CIA in the 70s who faked the deaths of those in the Challenger and Columbia "disasters". That sure is one swell organisation 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes, they were twins.

    As for your views on NASA, what about the Roscosmos (Russian space programme) and the European space agency, are they also fake? 57 countries have managed to put satellites into space, all of that "fake" also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob



    But again, Nasa wasn't founded by a Satanist or L. Ron Hubbard. What a bizarre claim to make.


    Also, your argument about twins is likewise bizarre and unsupported.

    Yes, they were twins (Edit: Brothers, not twins it seems.). You are claiming that they are in fact the same person. You've not shown anything to support this notion.

    You have not shown that the other astronauts have dopplegangers either. You have simply copy and pasted a picture that shows people with the same/similar names who do not look anything like the astronauts. You've not shown that they are all the same age. You have not explained why Nasa would allow them to continue living with the same names and appearances.


    Your current claim adds a new wrinkle. Why was Onizuka the only one of the astronauts given a fake twin? Why was he allowed to claim he was his twin after the disaster when you are claiming that it's a dead give away?


    You also seem to be shifting your beliefs again. You originally claimed that Onizuka was not actually a twin, but now you're claiming that the fact he is a twin is somehow evidence that Nasa is secret Nazis.

    This shows that either your beliefs are so vague a variable that you can completely reverse them like this, or they are not genuine.


    It's also curious that you're claiming that Nasa is "obsessed with experimenting on twins."

    There's only been one example I can find of this, which is the Twin study on the Kelly brothers. Beyond this, I don't see any other mentions or examples of twins even being in Nasa.

    I'm actually not finding any sources that say that Onizuka's brother is a twin. Sources only refer to him as a "younger brother."


    Additionally, your claim doesn't make sense. If they were faking all space flight with these twins, how would they be experimenting on them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Your claims are all false.


    There were 6 manned moon missions in addition to dozens of unmanned missions. I'm not sure what "space moon modules" are.


    Yes, they are still testing the Van Allen belts. This does not mean that the Van Allen belts would have prevented the moon missions. If you believe it would, can you provide what level of radiation would be a lethal dose and what dose astronauts traveling through them would receive? Can you also provide a reliable source for these numbers? I have asked conspiracy theorists many times for this, and never once received an answer.


    I'm curious why you are claiming this when the conspiracy position seems to be that all space travel is impossible.


    The photos are not fake. You are simply declaring that Kodak chrome 64 "does not act like that". Does not act like what? How do you know?


    The Netherlands never gave back a moon rock because it was petrified wood.

    This is a false story that never made any sense and has never been explained or defended by conspiracy theorists.

    Here are some videos that explain it:

    Here is a written article that also explains it:

    http://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/maansteen/maansteen.html

    The short version is that the rock that was shown to be petrified wood was not presented by the astronauts or Nasa as a moon rock.

    They also never gave it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,109 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I know this is an old post, but I find it very telling that you think 99.9+0.01=100 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So, tell everyone what's really going on, why are Nazi's relevant to the discussion? Why did the CIA fake a failure?

    Manifesto time Markus, you have an audience, make it count.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    First of all the "Nazis", as an organisation, didn't have an obsession with "testing on twins". It was really just one guy, Josef Mengele, and he confined most of his study to Auschwitz from 1943 to 44. Into the bargain, he had absolutely nothing to do with NASA's space program, unless NASA were secretly talking to him down in Argentina.

    Secondly, NASA having a "fascination on using twins in their experiments" would make for an interesting 1970's conspiracy movie. But as far as reality is concerned...well, I don't even know where to start with that.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,396 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @Markus Antonius - I'm not sure what the Nazi's have to do with NASA. If you would like to post some link or evidence please provide it. Otherwise the discussion ends here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, it's no secret that the American's used German rocket scientists after the war. They poached them in 1945 and were happy to employ them in various areas involving rocketry, including their space programme. The Germans were so far ahead in terms of rocket science, that their scientists were considered a valuable spoil of war and the scientists themselves were only too happy to be put to work in the area that they wanted to work in. They were also happy not to have to answer for the regime's policy towards forced labour too, or just how deep their own Nazi credentials were.

    The most famous of these, of course, was Wernher Von Braun, the "father of rocket science", who's expertise was invaluable to America's space programme.

    However, using so called "Nazi scientists" to further their own ends certainly doesn't make NASA a Nazi organisation or even an affiliate. It just meant that they used their skills and research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Some Nazi's were put on trial in Nuremburg, others fled to South America. Affiliate or not - they housed prominent Nazis and gave them a very comfortable life at the very least. Von Braun himself treated like a celebrity. You can't deny this.

    I find it incredible that the sceptics in this forum get riled the most by two things - Antisemitism and questioning NASA. Quite the oxymoron when you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You aren't "questioning" NASA, you are claiming the entirety of space travel is false or faked. All of it. By everyone. Satellites, that people can see with binoculars (and even the naked eye) aren't there according to you. The International space station is a set. Countries don't send probes to other planets, science is wrong, physics is wrong. All according to you.

    These are pretty big claims. Yet you aren't making any effort to explain how or why. Perhaps it's your belief you should be "questioning" more than anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We can see satelites and the ISS in the night sky with naked vision

    Go outside at night, look up, and if it's not cloudy, you'll see multiple satellites going past in a 10-20 minute timescale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Judging by this thread, my money is on "lol you think satellites are real?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Your claim was that Nasa was founded by a Satanist, a scientologist and a nazi.

    You implied that these were the same person. But you don't seem able to specify who.


    I'm not sure what point your trying to make. Why is it an oxymoron to not believe in the ridiculous claims you're making about space travel and also not believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    There's been no attempt to try and explain this.

    We ha e just been told that space flight is impossible because rockets cannot work in a vacuum. But these claims have since been abandoned when they were challenged and debunked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,295 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And the poster submitted as evidence a video shot from orbit. So their own evidence disproves their core claim.

    @Markus Antonius your own evidence

    In case you think it wasnt noticed how you have tried to ignore this.

    It was

    Your claim has been proven false.

    Thanks for submitting the evidence establishing this.

    You have proven space flight is feasible and has happened.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    This is one of the main reasons conspiracy theorists don't want to elaborate on their theories.

    The more they make solid statements about what the believe, the more chances there are that they'd trip themselves up or post something contradictory.

    It's much easier to keep things vague and "just ask questions".

    But when they claim something so extreme it's hard to avoid these contradictions or find people who share your beliefs who aren't just open flat earthers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Apollo 11: The Complete Descent:

    A detailed account of every second of the Apollo 11 descent and landing.

    The video combines data from the onboard computer for altitude and pitch angle,16mm film that was shot throughout the descent at 6 frames per second.

    The audio recording is from two sources.

    The air/ground transmissions are on the left stereo channel and the mission control flight director loop is on the right channel.

    Subtitles are included to aid comprehension.

    As well as Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Mike Collins, the video includes the following people from the mission control team:

    Flight - Gene Kranz

    CapCom - Charlie Duke

    GNC - Buck Willoughby

    EECOM - John Aaron

    FIDO - Jay Greene

    RETRO - Chuck Deiterich

    Guidance - Steve Bales

    Control - Bob Carlton

    TELCOM - Don Puddy

    Surgeon - John Zieglschmid



    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A very clever fake I grant you. quote impressive for the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    How come East Germany got zero credit for landing man on Venus in 1960? There is absolutely no way this could be faked with the technology they had at the time (I have the telemetry data in an excel file here too if you need it):

    Maybe @Wibbs could help us out here. Incredible that 1/5 people still don't believe we did it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Somehow I don't think highlighting a film with horrendous special effects is making your case any stronger.

    They didn't have the video tech back then to fake a continuous live broadcast in "slow motion" for that period of time.

    Keep in mind you aren't just denying the moon landing, you're denying all of them and the entire history of space flight from the last 50 years. You've yet to provide a single piece of credible evidence for that apart from personal disbelief and incredulity.

    How do you rationalise to yourself how GPS and satellites work? You can buy a pair of decent binoculars and see them yourself (even possible to see them with the naked eye in the night sky).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    1. How do you know it was live and not just a prerecorded broadcast? Your entire moonlanding belief system revolves around faith - the faith in them to broadcast something live because they told you it was live. It's essentially saying "I believe in the moonlanding because my grandfather saw it on the television"
    2. What makes you think there had to be 2 hours of continuous slow motion footage? Most of the footage there is absolutely nothing moving in the frame. The only parts that are slow motion are when they are hopping/driving/golf swinging. This certainly does not go on for 2 hours and even if it did - you could easily stitch smaller segments together. It is purely a matter of how fast the film reel is pulled through the projector. No witchcraft needed. @Wibbs never managed to explain his way out of this one despite a huge proportion of his moonlanding faith attributed to this argument.
    3. Why don't you tell me how GPS works, and I don't want a link to a wiki page, I want you to tell me: Upon what technological principle does GPS work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    1 and 2 addressed by the below video

    For the 3rd point, can you answer the question I asked, thanks (repeated below)

    How do you rationalise to yourself how GPS and satellites work? You can buy a pair of decent binoculars and see them yourself (even possible to see them with the naked eye in the night sky).




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I've seen that video countless times, it is the biggest pile of nonsense and doesn't address any of my points about 1. why you think the footage is live and 2. why you think there had to be 2 hours of continuous footage. Neither of these points are addressed here. But fine, the foundation stone to your moonlanding belief comprises a video of a film director who bizarrely thinks the footage can't be faked (despite it absolutely and undeniably being incredibly easy to fake). There is more compellingly believable footage in that East German film from 1960 linked above.

    So GPS works because you have a pair of binoculars and you saw a satellite? I do not have the strength for this... 😖

    You clearly do not know, upon which fundamental technological phenomenon, GPS works...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It clearly explains how they didn't have the tech to fake the live continuous broadcast on the moon (involving continuous slow motion).

    So GPS works because you have a pair of binoculars and you saw a satellite? I do not have the strength for this... 😖


    You clearly do not know, upon which fundamental technological phenomenon, GPS works...

    It's a simple question. If you want to try and answer it, it's there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,295 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Noted how you dodged the question about satellites. The poster really doesn't need to address point #3

    It is obvious you have no rebuttal to it.

    Your entire argument is holed below the waterline.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Markus doesn't want to answer the question directly because it will reveal that he is either a flat earther or he is not genuine in his own beliefs.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    you could easily stitch smaller segments together. It is purely a matter of how fast the film reel is pulled through the projector. No witchcraft needed.

    Tell me you know precisely bugger all about how film and video work, by telling me you know precisely bugger all about how film and video work.

    As usual the conspiracy types just concentrate on Apollo 11. Handy for them as it had the crappiest black and white video cameras, though high quality still and film cameras. They ignore the hours upon hours of increasingly higher quality colour video footage(and audio and telemetry) from later missions. EVA's that showed near continuous colour video footage back to mission control(and other places like universities) for hour after hour where actual scientists watched and often directed through CAPCOM the astronauts to check out different geological features of interest to sample. Samples that they then directly examined in clean rooms back on Earth. They were all in on it too of course. As were all the universities and other scientists across the world who checked and sill reference their work and conclusions to this day.

    That some write off an actual expert in film and video technology speaks volumes about their claims. Never mind referencing the inventive but pretty amateur hour special effects of 1960's East German film as a response and as "compellingly believable". Jaysus. 🤣 But let's look at "compellingly believable". Our images of space travel are very much influenced by Hollywood and other media, not the reality. Well the reality, especially in near Earth orbit, is cramped and slow and mundane in many ways. No laser guns, hyperspace and three titted blue aliens. Fantasy space bears almost no relationship or relevance to real space. No artificial gravity, no faster than light travel, no spacecraft banking in a vacuum. In space you couldn't even see the most powerful laser imaginable unless you looked down the barrel of it.

    "Well that doesn't look real!!" What they're actually saying is "That doesn't look like the fantasy I believed!!".


    GPS? In simple terms a system of satellites all running on very precise atomic clock time sending their position in space and time via radio waves(at the speed of light constant) to each other and the ground. The reciever on the ground such as a phone picks up these signals from different satellites overhead and works out the difference in distance between each of them and by simple telemetry calculates where you are in relation to them.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But this is not a very good point for you.

    If this is the state of special effects for the time, how were they able to fake the moon landings?

    If you believe that this movie is an attempt to fake a venus landing, why do you believe that Nasa didn't fake further landings beyond the Apollo ones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    All of this is completely dependant on the footage actually being live, which you have no way of proving outside of saying "it's live because NASA said so". There is absolutely nothing that can't be faked with a bit of simple post processing - this includes the very basic moonlanding footage right up to 1972 or whenever it was that they decided to stop the fakery.

    Ok, so gps works by radio waves. What are radio waves and how are they generated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Screw it, I'll just paste the transcript from the video, it's easier:

    the thing is all these discussions are ignoring one simple point in 1969 it was not yet possible technically to fake what we saw on TV why are people missing this I think maybe they forget how primitive video was in 1969 I mean it was an amazing achievement in electronics but there was a lot they couldn't do let me try to explain that the pivotal claim for the Apollo hoax theory without which it all falls apart is that what we saw on TV was slow-motion footage of astronauts running around in a film studio because if it was a slow motion it couldn't have happened on earth right let's talk about how slow motion works in film and video there are two ways to make motion slow one is you shoot it at normal speed and play it back slow the other is you shoot it fast and play it back normal the second way is called overcranking it looks smoother and more realistic because you're sampling natural motion at a higher frame rate but that means we would have had to shoot it on film using high-speed film cameras right why because in 1969 there were no high-speed video cameras yet the electronics just weren't there some people did have a magnetic disc recorder that could capture normal speed video and play it back slow they used it for sports replace it could record up to 30 seconds playback at 10 FPS and you've got a whopping 90 seconds of slow-mo


    I'm sticking with 10 frames per second because that was the video frame rate for Apollo 11 they had a non-interlaced slow scan TV camera specially made for them by westinghouse all the later missions were using regular NTSC cameras running at 2997 fps that would be three times harder to fake I'm trying to make this easy keep in mind that when people today watch documentaries about the Apollo missions they're looking at the highlights they're looking at you know short clips cut together the short clips are much easier to fake but in July 1969 600 million people including me we're all staring at a continuous lunar telecast that went on for a long time it's actually pretty boring sometimes at 16 minutes into the EBA they turn on the video camera four minutes later you get your one small step fan then Aldrin climbs out and they move the camera onto a tripod and proceeded to do all their moonwalking flag planting photo snapping and rock picking then Armstrong climbs back up into the lander and it's over by which time the video camera has been running for 43 minutes so if we're faking this with electronic slow-mo at 1/3 speed we only need to record about 47 minutes of continuous live-action video well that's a lot more than that Ampex disk recorder could hold but NASA is special maybe they have a big disk recorder right in 1969 okay how much bigger 95 times bigger I don't know man I mean government agencies are powerful but they're not God then again they are NASA maybe they did have some special way to over cranked video in 1969 for an hour and a half maybe they have some top-secret high-speed electronics that the rest of the world never knew about oh wait a minute no you guys said that the navigation computers were too slow I guess we can't have it both ways I mean it can't be fast and slow at the same time right wouldn't it be easier to shoot this on film I mean in 1969 we already knew how to over cranked film for Apollo 11 we only need to shoot 30 fps and play it back at 10 okay let's try that I'd recommend you shoot on thirty five-millimeter to minimize the shown brain that's what Kubrick would have done now let's see normal 35 millimeter runs at 90 feet per minute but since we're shooting at 30fps there will be 112 and a half feet per minute we need 47 minutes of original film so that's about 5,300 feet and of course there's no such thing as a film magazine that big Volkswagen but if you shoot thousand foot loads that's about that big then you can do it in five mags I mean I can do this you don't want to see the splice marks where you put the reels together because then everybody would know it was a fake and remember we're shooting for TV so it's one three three aspect ratio and not one eighty five so that means you have to do a and B rolls you have to split cut the negative into a and B rolls and print them onto a fifty three hundred foot fine grained inter positive then cut an answer print in the film lab and when you're done make sure everybody that works in the film lab dies mysteriously in a car crash now now you just need to find a custom-designed tella city that can transfer your fifty three hundred foot answer print to video or ten frames per second pin registered of course how hard can that be of course you need to be absolutely certain that in all that splicing and printing and transferring none of the most common film artifacts have gotten onto your giant print no bass scratches no emulsion flakes no gate we've no brain and not one single fleck of dust because any one of those things will instantly betray that this is a hoax okay so you do that and then you do it again for five more lunar emissions only those later missions you have to play back a 30fps meaning you have to shoot it like 60fps twice the torque twice as many splices to keep clean twice as much of a chance that the film's going to break in the camera you think maybe it would be easier to just go to the moon

    You're claiming this is all wrong and you're right. Okay, detail how it was done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,295 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GPS works by satellites and radio waves.

    So satellites are real right? You accept that?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    What is all this blabber? Take a 35mm film reel - record the footage at 24fps. Play the footage back at 12fps. There you have it: slowmo footage at 50% speed.

    Quality not good enough for you? Record the footage at 50fps, playback at 25fps.

    A standard 35mm film reel (1000 ft) can playback 11 mins of footage at 24fps or 5min30s at 48fps.

    "But, but, but, the moonlanding footage was 2hours that means you would need a film reel 6 times the size of a standard one, therefore the moonlanding happened!!"

    Wrong.

    1. NASA either had a film reel 6 times larger or more likely
    2. They took 6 standard film reels projected the footage onto a wall and used a second camera to record the footage onto a single film reel

    Are you really this naive to think that they could not fake it? 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    What is all this blabber

    It's a transcript of the video you claimed to have watched numerous times

    You haven't detailed how they faked 45 minutes of continuous live footage. You just conjured up a rationalisation in your head with no evidence of anything.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    ... And they have that projector setup on the moon so that the transmissions picked up on Earth by various receiving stations know that it is all coming from the right place. Nobody would notice if they were picking up the transmission from somewhere earth based would they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    It's blabber whether it's said verbally or in text format.

    The rationalization was using actual knowledge of how slo motion footage is achieved along with a Kodak film calculator available at this link:

    Here's a video that dispels the witchcraft that you think would need to be involved to get your 45 mins of continuous footage (that you have no proof is live)

    So radios can't work without satellites?

    Goodness me, I feel like a man from the future gone back in time 300 years...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Every independent GPS software developer and chip designer writing the code to calculate the location on earth based on the timings received by the satellite constellation is also in on the conspiracy, as is ESA and anyone working on the Gallileo constellation too.

    You'd have thought that ESA would have noticed that GPS was fake before wasting all that money and resources on creating their own fake. Why didn't they just expose the US system as fake rather than create a duplicate fake? Having multiple fake setups of GPS equipment is surely opening things up to much greater risk of them all being exposed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,295 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's obvious from the way you keep trying to dodge the question you know it discredits your entire premise.

    So I'll repeat the question as it is fundamental to everything that follows:

    GPS works by satellites and radio waves.

    So satellites are real right? You accept that?

    ps Let's not forget you already discredited your entire premise by posting a video taken from orbit. In trying to claim the moon landings were faked, you implicitly proved space travel was possible.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So radios can't work without satellites?


    No, the other way round. Satellites are not much use without radio, they can "work" in that they can be satellites without radio... But that would make them pretty pointless if they had no way of communicating in one or both directions.

    The GPS, and other similar systems like Gallileo, work with radio and on board atomic clocks.

    Have you ever noticed that your GPS watch, or in car system, loses signal if inside a thick walled building, or on driving through a tunnel or in the bottom of a multistorey carpark? Doesn't that suggest to you that they are picking up their signals from something up in the sky somewhere?



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