Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

The Denmark exception for ukraine proves there will always be an exception and a zero refugee policy is not practical. Sounds great around election time though I bet.

edit: This was an amazing photo on reddit the other day, this is a current ISS image of Ireland and the UK. You can see how disparate the population density is between the two countries. Probably belongs here, click for full res. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/10irlba/england_and_ireland_on_a_rare_clear_day/

Vote Yes for Jobs... if I remember correctly!

Yet Ireland has an opt out on the Area of Freedom, Security and Justice, like Denmark. Under EU law the Area of Freedom, Security and Justice (AFSJ) covers is "a policy domain concerning home affairs & migration" Denmark has a similar opt out. The Danes excercised theirs, but the Irish powers that be in thrall to NGO's have chosen not to excercise ours. Our involvement in taking the numbers that we are currently taking in and can't accommodate, is entirely voluntary and can be changed overnight, if the powers that be wished it. So please let's drop that canard, that we have to do it, the big bad EU made us do it.

Next paragraph reads ... However, Ireland has chosen to participate in EU relocation and resettlement schemes and established the Irish Refugee Protection Programme (IRPP) as part of its response to the 2015-16 migrant crisis.

Under this programme, Ireland committed to accept up to 4,000 people into the State through EU and UNHCR Refugee Resettlement Programmes.

In December 2019, plans were unveiled for Ireland to welcome up to a further 2,900 refugees between 2020 and 2023 through a combination of resettlement programmes and a new Community Sponsorship Ireland initiative.

Ireland benefited from €68.6 million of EU funding to help manage migration from 2015 to 2020. The funding was made up of €58.1 million from the Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund (AMIF) and €10.5 million from the Internal Security Fund (ISF).

The AMIF supports Member States in managing migration flows while funding under the ISF supports efforts to protect the security of citizens and manage the EU’s external borders. The total EU AMIF allocation for 2021-2027 will amount to €9.9 billion. The overall ISF budget for the period will be around €1.9 billion.

O Gorman saying they’re looking at hotels still as well as quoting our “obligations “ again. Cuddihy asked why can’t we use basketball courts to house them

Its not possible under international law. We signed upto the 1951 UN Geneva Convention. We have legal obligations as a state.

So the opt out option we were offered when voting on Lisbon treaty was a con?

The 1951 convention trumps any EU referendum we were offered, is that right?, so Ireland was fooled again?

Yeah we cant just ignore international law. The world doesnt work that way. Your claim of little to no cost is absurd nonsense.

You can though. International law isn't real law, especially in regard to such policies.

What are the consequences if we decided to ignore them? As real laws usually have real consequences.

Can someone enlighten me into how one applies for asylum when they happen to own 1 or 2 properties along with a business of some sort back home, I really do not get this I mean how are asylum’s assessed if at all?

You’re conflating people who migrate legally, secure visas, and often bring valuable skill sets, with current influx of spurious asylum claims, many of whom have either arrived from neighboring EU countries or conveniently destroyed their passports somewhere over the Irish Sea.

Really? Try applying a smidgen of logic..

I think there should be a total and immediate ban on accepting any more refugees, from anywhere. The country is at breaking point in every conceivable respect. The tragedy of it is there would have been no need to even raise the idea if successive governments hadn't spent the last thirty years allowing countless thousands of economic migrants from safe countries to pretend they were refugees, or to shoehorn their way in here pre '04 by arriving in the latest stages of their pregnancies. That's before we even get into Bacik overturning the will of the people by sleight of hand or McEntee's amnesty for illegal immigrants. A thirty year long string of stupid decisions have left us unable to help people genuinely fleeing violence, and those poor souls have the cowards inside Leinster House and the liars outside it to thank for it.

The country is at breaking point in every conceivable respect

Calm down, it really isn't.

Oh right, I forgot, y'all referring to the fact our economic emigrants are white, godd'it 😉👍️

Clearly, and thanks in large part to the protests, the government position has changed, but they're too in thrall to international bodies to say so. Instead, they're relying on the welfare tourists and freeloaders to tell their mates on Tiktok. Could they bring in more if they really wanted to? Of course. It's completely incoherent to say there's space for Ukrainians but not for others. But something fundamental has changed. They'll soon get a curt call from Brussels, however, so I don't see this lasting; rather, they're testing the waters.

Pretty sure I wouldn't get free accommodation in the US legal or illegal entry

Whats with the getto speak.

No. Id argue through Brexit they did try to be the best boys in the class. FG pushed the Single Market as if it was sacred entity whose enforcement (checks) could not be changed to suit our complex border situation. Ireland's hard line on the Single Market has led to a radicalisation of the Tories preventing Britain from returning, and for what purpose? Was the Single Market really under threat and if so why are we making concessions allowing a light touch approach to checks now?

Trouble is half the lads who show up here that are called refugees are really economic migrants.

How many of them are asylum seekers?

No comparison whatsoever.

Fail.

40% of the refugees arriving have no passport and so the simplistic "send them back" doesn't apply,as we don't know where to send them back to and good luck trying to get Italy or Greece to take em back because that was the safe country they came from. .Theres a simple answer to this but also a practically insurmountable problem.Answer: all Airlines/Shipping lines bringing customers into Ireland must provide a photocopy of the Passport that allowed the customer to travel with their company.Problem,airlines or Shipping lines wont play ball and will threaten to stop flying into Ireland if we try to introduce this.I think we will eventually see a version of this but expect massive resistance initially.

"This country survived handsomely with over 2 million extra inhabitants, long before the invention of modern democracy and its' paraphernalia."

Are you referring to early 19th century, pre famine?? If so, that's bizarre - you had many people living in relative squalor then, in cabins and mud botháns or tramping the country sleeping in sheds and ditches. You can't be serious?

Your average international asylum seeker arriving here now expects a higher standard...........

And therein lies a problem, we have a good population of 20/30 something year olds being screwed on rent and priced out of housing purchase, turned back to live at home, whilst we are lectured on meeting our legal obligations to house anyone who rocks up in Dublin airport. Something is wrong in the kingdom.

That very question was put to some NGO on Drivetime today, she waffled her way out of it saying she wasn't there to talk about that issue and of course O Hara didn't push it any further with her.