Government's secret plan to block repayment of illegal nursing home charges

Given the little information available at present, it behoves us all to be extremely cautious in what we say and in how we discuss this matter, particularly in view of the fact that full information is not in the public domain.

That said, the information available points to a group of first-line pols and civil servants having been involved in kicking some of the most vulnerable people in the state for the past decade, and perhaps for several decades.

IMO this is potentially the largest story in our state's history, and - legal strategy or not - could destroy both of our remaining legacy political parties.

Indeed, the eyes that paid all the banks' debts, including the unsecured ones.

A spoiled bit achieves the sun total of zero.

Yes, and the middle earning taxpayer was the least to blame for that situation. Yet everyone expects everything to fall on them.

Mica, The property collapse, The housing crisis, the nursing home crisis, Army deafness. Etc

Where are the cavalry? What’s going on. Not a single post. Unbelievable.

It’s the best option if you want to let your neighbours choose the next Government.

While "Politically Exposed Persons" (the cronies of politicans), sociopathic bankster scum, and politicians were given preferential treatment, we had to pay their debts. Stop making excuses for these inhumane scumbags. Confiscate the assets of those involved and remove them from any public office permanently.

Regards...jmcc

Not shocked, not surprised at all. Anyone who thinks the politicians are in it for anyone but themselves is delusional. Also, it’s the permanent public sector employee in the dail who really run the country not whatever puppet is put in to head the department of whatever.

we have 0 choice in this country, call themselves whatever they wish, Sinn this, Fianna that, independent whatever, all a bunch of self servers. Me Féin the real political choice for the Irish electorate.

Does this show that they are in it for themselves?

This diabolical plan was mainly to save the State money , not excusing it, but still.

The state makes charges for all sorts of things and policies change over time. To be facile for a moment, what happens when the state decides all public transport should be free? Going by logic of this, anyone who previously paid a fare should expect a refund as it was free for some all the time and now free for all, so why were they discriminated against etc.

Went and found the answer to my own question. This ombudsman report from 2011 makes interesting reading

https://www.ombudsman.ie/publications/reports/failure-to-refund-illegal/

I don't follow your argument..yest the State makes and changes policies all the time. To follow your analogy, if the state had a law saying that public transport was free and then instead day to day charged fares - then you could sue for restitution.

If the State changed the law to say that public transport is now free, well then tough on all the previous journeys you paid for.

The issue is that the State seemingly charged for nursing home care when it had no legal grounds to and then frustrated efforts of families to get their money back, and did everything quietly in order to not draw attention to payments it did make. This was to ensure that people who had grounds to seek compensation, did not.

No he's right, vote for your preferred candidate(s) then look at the rest, if there are two left that you don't like pick the one you would be least unhappy to see get elected. Fine if you want to stop at some point but they don't care about spoiled votes. If you don't like any of them the vote in order of least objectionable. PR elections is really about vote management.

Don't have anything on the house or car that will give them an indication of how you will vote. If they knock your door, be nice to the runner who is screening people to meet the candidate, let them think you might vote for them. Then when they bring down the candidate to meet you - reel them in and let them have it.

If you rant at them they'll just keep the TD away from you. Make a point of, sorry I can't support you party because my kids are never going to own their own home if you are in power. If you ditched the leader or housing minister I'd think about it.

If the Government doesn't fall before summer 2024 the next elections will be local elections which will be a good indication to the government how they will fair in a general election. If they do badly then the leaders will get ditched.

"As far as I know I haven't seen it and didn't at the time but..."

Nursing home fees issue is complex, says Varadkar (rte.ie)

LMFAO

If it really was a nothing then the secret efforts to hide it would not have been made. This will be government ending.

And who will the refunds come from?

Do you believe that Leo or Martin did not know of this? Yes or no

The elderly were robbed blind of what? Ridiculous statement.

You are not automatically entitled to a free slot in a nursing home. Its means tested among other suitability tests, medical card or not.

I marched against the water charges to be honest.

Not because water charges are inherently bad, but because the genesis of Irish Water was. Catastrophic actually. And I was right then too.

But sorry to anyone who thinks some historic feelings of inequity about nursing home costs are going to bring down the Government, because they are not.

Its wartime in Europe and turbulent economic and political times in America and China. This is senior hurling time and contrived "scandals" by a few disgruntled eejits won't be bringing down any Government any time soon.

The election is in 25 months, make your choice then.

and rightly so as their views are not sensible but are condoning and supporting the covering up of illegal activity.

water charges don't and didn't make sense hence the quite right, lack of support.

nothing to do with mobs, just right and wrong, and once again FFG are wrong as per.

The faux outrage reminds me of the build up of momentum to the army deafness fiasco or the water charges protests.