Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

BattleCorp · 31-01-2023 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182279#Comment_120182279

Sounds pretty unbelievable that the Sheriff can go into a parent's house to take away property that is theirs for something their son owes. I think that law is wrong but I do accept what you are saying.

One would assume feckall stuff in that house is Enoch's apart from his clothes and an odd bit of bric-a-brac given that he wasn't living in the family home (that's assuming he was renting somewhere near the school).

Regarding the communal bank account, if such a thing existed, I doubt Enoch is contributing to it at the moment given that he is now unemployed.

archermoo · 31-01-2023 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182239#Comment_120182239

Except that he wasn't fired for being a bigot. He was fired for being a bully.

Donald Trump · 31-01-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182294#Comment_120182294

I didn't read all that. I was only putting in a line from an old 1990's song for the craic to see if anyone recognised it, expecting it to confuse 99% of people. Not Joe Dolan this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLs-JP5FGAg

Ironically, the sentiment could apply to Burke's on-going actions

Loafing Oaf · 31-01-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182123#Comment_120182123

Caters to students of all genders and none...

Gregor Samsa · 31-01-2023 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182284#Comment_120182284

Here's the grievance procedure for secondary school teachers. Spoiler alert: It doesn't involve accosting your principal at an after-school event.

https://www.asti.ie/document-library/procedures-for-voluntary-secondary-schools-with-boards-of/

Quin_Dub · 31-01-2023 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182284#Comment_120182284

Someone earlier in the thread linked to the Complaints procedure for teachers and also to the disciplinary process for them as well.

A quick google got me this from this from the ASTI which is the Teachers union.

Basically - Just like with any employer there's a procedure for an employee to lodge a complaint about a manager or about work practices etc.

This was the pathway for Enoch to begin his argument about being asked to recognise a Transgender student.

He would probably have lost the early rounds of that process and would have ended up progressing though the Department of Education appeals phase and as I said in an earlier post then making his way through the courts making a legal argument about where the boundaries between Religious freedom and the prevailing law of the land exist.

As I also mentioned in another earlier post , it is statistically almost certain that there are other schools with Transgender students and equally likely that there are teachers that aren't altogether comfortable with that.

However what is clear by the lack of anything similar to the Enoch Circus anywhere else, is that those schools and teachers have been able to come to a workable solution requiring a little bit of give and take and compromise on all sides so that everyone can just get along with their day.

All of this comes down to Burkes utter intransigence and refusal to engage with any process whatsoever.

Jim2007 · 31-01-2023 2:56pm

"You do realise Enoch Burke and his family are different entities? You can't take his parent's/family's property if it's Enoch that owes the money?"

The sheriff/registrar and their employees can enter the premise and cease property on the assumption it belongs to him - they can put on a very good show if told to do so. After that there will have to be a judicial process to determine ownership. Breaking a law is one thing but once you start challenging the entire judicial system it becomes something else, it make take a very long time, but eventually you will loose.

jelutong · 31-01-2023 3:01pm

Enoch Burke has done everything wrong.

Burke has

VinLieger · 31-01-2023 3:04pm

Anyone who thinks Enoch is right in his beliefs and disagrees with pronouns etc should be absolutely furious with him tbh as he completely fumbled the ball as regards taking this properly through the courts. Unsurprisingly as with everything the burkes seem to touch he's made this entirely about him and not about the issue he is supposedly fighting.

BattleCorp · 31-01-2023 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182301#Comment_120182301

I think Burke is a twat and he deserves to be sitting in jail but I'll say this anyway.

It's an awful pity that there isn't a video of Enoch Burke's confrontation with the Principal at the school function. We don't know if he behaved very badly or if the allegations against him are a bit exaggerated. I'll go with the consensus that he did all that is alleged against him at the function.

I'm curious though, usually when someone is verbally abused, there'd be foul language or threats yet I haven't heard any allegations of him talking like this to the Principal. I haven't heard much about what he is supposed to have said/shouted to be honest. For all we know he might have just followed the Principal saying (or shouting) he'll 'never call a boy a girl' in the same manner his family kept saying 'Where is John Rogers' in the hotel in Mullingar. In which case that would be a harsh sacking.

It's also said that someone had to intervene to protect the Principal. It's an awful pity there's no video because that is very subjective. Did they overreact and think the Principal was in danger when she mightn't have been or did they just intervene because they had enough of listening to Burke crapping on?

All of the above is just my mind questioning things, I'm not saying any of it actually happened as I described. It's probable that nothing was exaggerated etc. but I'm just wondering did everything happen exactly at the school function as described in the media reports.

Gregor Samsa · 31-01-2023 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182123#Comment_120182123

"co" meas "together". It doesn't refer to a specific number.

But the funny thing is, you used the term "sort of binary". A system is either binary or it's not. "sort of binary" is admitting that it's not actually binary at all.

sydthebeat · 31-01-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182275#Comment_120182275

luckily we have laws which are there to prevent bigots like Enoch from spouting their hatred.

if you dont like that, well there are options....

Quin_Dub · 31-01-2023 3:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182424#Comment_120182424

100% this , and I'd add he hasn't helped people that disagree with him either.

A case like this is probably needed at this stage to update and clarify exactly where the law stands here , not just on the topic of Transgender people , but on the limits of Religious exemptions etc.

Having Enoch go all the way to the Supreme court to argue for his "religious freedom" would actually probably be a good thing all round.

Not necessarily for Enoch , but the clarity it would provide would be most useful.

BattleCorp · 31-01-2023 3:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182375#Comment_120182375

Genuine question, not acting the boll1x but what if Enoch Burke didn't live in the family home? I very much doubt the Sheriff can go in there and sieze property in those circumstances.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-01-2023 3:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165524#Comment_120165524

In 96% of Irish primary schools, all teachers are forced to teach Christianity as a fact during the school day, regardless of their own beliefs.

Be very very careful what you wish for, because there are a hell of a lot more atheists teaching in Irish schools than there are Burkes.

ohnonotgmail · 31-01-2023 3:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182475#Comment_120182475

Of course not.

Donald Trump · 31-01-2023 3:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182475#Comment_120182475

The sheriff can go where he likes. Him and his horse and his revolvers. The Wild West of Mayo. Shootout at high noon, pew-pew

Gregor Samsa · 31-01-2023 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182437#Comment_120182437

That there's no video (that we know of) is completely irrelevant. We've had millennia of justice without video, and even when there is video, its interpretation can be open to subjective analysis.

The disciplinary hearing was exactly to determine the facts: to hear the evidence as to what happened, to come to a conclusion and to act upon it. Burke chose not to engage, and it went ahead without him and found that he acted inappropriately to the degree that his termination was warranted. If he wants to dispute this, there's a legal process he can follow. It doesn't involve trespassing on your former employer's property every day in defiance of a court order.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-01-2023 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182263#Comment_120182263

Don't care who pays. East cash cow for the State.

The rest is bullsihit. who the **** is charing the State 20k per day in legal fees...? And if it goes to court and Enoch loses, the State will get the costs paid by him (or whoever's fuiding him).

I'm beginning to get a strong transphobic vibe off you, based on your extensive efforts to find problems, mis-defining of "transgenderism" when it's not a transgender issue and bringing up **** like transgender athletes that isn't even relevant.

Quin_Dub · 31-01-2023 3:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182437#Comment_120182437

If you think that if he replicated his behaviour at the hotel in Mullingar at the school event and that that was a "harsh sacking" then I'm not sure where you work but if I did that to my boss I'd be fired on the spot for gross misconduct.

I challenge anyone to tell me that they could incessantly shout at their boss and then follow a few feet behind them as they tried to leave the building continuing to shout at them all the way to their car and that they'd still keep their job?

Not a chance.

31-01-2023 3:20pm

@BattleCorp

Can't quote your post for some reason, but don't you think its telling that not a single parent, student, or other staff member has come out in support of Enoch, or to contradict the reported events of 21st June?

Not even one. Not even as an "un-named source".

That's rare, in a case like this.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-01-2023 3:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165654#Comment_120165654

Prayer or religious symbolism at a government or local government sitting is just wrong though. We are supposed to live in a non-theocratic state.

Gregor Samsa · 31-01-2023 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182482#Comment_120182482

there are a hell of a lot more atheists teaching in Irish schools than there are Burkes.

In all fairness, this isn't for Mammy and Daddy Burke's lack of trying...

31-01-2023 3:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181967#Comment_120181967

aaaaaaand again it needs repeating aparrently

Burke is entitled to whatever beliefs he wants. He can believe the moon is made of white chocolate if he wants.

That does not give him permission to bully the principle, disregard equality legislation, shout at people, break a court order etc etc etc etc

He is in the trouble he is in due to his actions only

31-01-2023 3:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182071#Comment_120182071

It has everything to do with his beliefs though.

Repeating it does not make it true

He is in the predicament he's in due to his actions.

He can believe whatever he wants, nobody is stopping him

TheWonderLlama · 31-01-2023 3:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181627#Comment_120181627

every single one of those things could have been avoided. He chose to inflict those things upon himself.

realdanbreen · 31-01-2023 3:37pm

Anyone here from around Mayo that knows Enoch or his family? I mean does he take a jar, go to a match or a race meeting or go chasing women. Surely somebody has me him out and about.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-01-2023 3:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182613#Comment_120182613

Oooh, don't open that can!

There were a few people who claimed to be from Castlebar or had relatives in Castlebar, but viewpoints differed wildly. Went on for a few pages and got a bit heated and a mod had to stop in.

realdanbreen · 31-01-2023 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182645#Comment_120182645

Well it's a pretty straightforward question I asked! I mean I didn't ask if he's a lumberjack and he's Ok I just wondered if he socialised around the area.

Deebles McBeebles · 31-01-2023 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182475#Comment_120182475

They can only seize assets from his place of residence/business so if he's not living at home, they can't touch it. It's going to be a great episode of Can't Pay, We'll Take it Away, regardless.

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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