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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Brighton have signed a 19 year old Swedish international midfielder, Yasin Ayari, for €4M. That seems like a risk worth taking, Liverpool have probably paid more than that for the Arthur Melo loan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭ratracer


    We’ll just leave him there for half a season, then buy him for €40m in the summer! 😥🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    You see the thing is. Brighton will let players like him play and develop under the radar and it's almost like a no risk stragety. Liverpool buy and play someone like that and you have fans righting them off after 10 minutes every game and complain that we are not spending the money to keep up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Robert2014


    I guess the silence is deafening in relation to any last minute transfers today. We have gone from a really run club to piss poor in short order. The season was a write off before now but how far can we sink before the season finishes?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,965 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Arsenal fail with their attempt to sign Caicedo...so they turn to Chelsea and sign Jorginho for £12m.

    Jorginho is absolutely no world beater but he's a midfielder who knows how to pass a ball, control the tempo, and who has faced only 2 games out injured for Chelsea since joining them.

    There is so much business we could be doing right now...



  • Administrators Posts: 54,128 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Honestly it seems like we have decided to write this season off, accept it's going to be trophy-less and no Champions League next year, and then bet the house that we can get what we need in the summer.

    Very risky strategy, IMO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Robert2014


    It assumes we need to do no other business elsewhere which is wrong imo. Most likely Kelleher will leave so we could need to bring in a new goalie. Don't think anyone wants Adrian as a number 2. Also centre back if Virgil is on the decline. We should have moved Gomez on where Gerrard was interested at Villa. We may need to do something there. I have no idea about Ramsay, do we take a chance and hope he pressures Trent next season. By the time we fix the midfield, they could be problems elsewhere. Huge problem with this reactive, wait and see approach. So much for planning 3 windows in advance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭ratracer


    As others have said here before, if not top 4 and Champs Lge, are the club happier to completely slide out of European competition altogether next season?

    Because that’s what it looks like from the outside anyway. I know JK had overachieved in his time at LFC, it’s what makes it all the more difficult to watch now.

    but how can the club go from world beaters to also-rans in a few short seasons?? I thought the barren years were behind us for a while at least. It’ll actually be a terrible stain on Klopp’s legacy if he leaves without winning anything else. 😢 And yes, I know how shallow and ungrateful that sounds, but the urgent decline is as much down to him as the boss, as it is to the board/ FSG/ whomever else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭population


    Liverpool would benefit from not being involved in the Europa Conference League anyway. The squad is small enough, especially when you consider the crocks, so having only the league to focus on for a year might work to their advantage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Our recruitment of young players has primarily been focused on 16 year olds. Of the U21 players signed in the last six years, Carvalho was the only one that would be reasonably expected to get a chance in the first team squad immediately, coincidentally he was the oldest at the time of his signing.

    2017 : Vitezslav Jaros (15), Yasser Larouci (16), Patrik Raitanen (16), Dal Varesanovic (16)

    2018 : Anderson Arroyo (18), Bobby Duncan (17), Tony Gallacher (18), Ki-Jana Hoever (16), Billy Koumetio (16), Matteo Ritaccio (16)

    2019 : Conor Bradley (16), Harvey Elliott (16), Jakub Ojrzynski (16), Sepp van den Berg (17)

    2020 : Melkamu Frauendorf (16), Mateusz Musialowski (16), Fabian Mrozek (16), Marcelo Pitaluga (17)

    2021 : Bobby Clark (16), Kaide Gordon (16), Calum Scanlon (15)

    2022 : Fabio Carvalho (19), Ben Doak (16), Trent Kone-Doherty (16), Calvin Ramsay (18), Reece Trueman (17)

    While Liverpool have been looking at underage talent that could potentially save the club millions in the long term, Brighton have been quietly supplementing their squad with young players (19-22) that have something to offer now and will develop further in the near future. There is something to be learned from their approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    We'll make a last minute effort to take Kante off of them to supplement our over 30 and rapidly declining contingent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    The point I was trying to make was if we went ahead and signed that 19 year old with potential and threw him into the 1st team and let him learn and grow from the experience. Fans would be all over his every mistake and complain about cheap scating in the market and not going out to spend the money on the finished article. Christ there is a "fan" in here who spends every game bashing our younger players and this guy would be no different regardless of how good he could potentially be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Konate has done his hamstring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    What the f*ck do we do in training ,

    Then again didn't Konate have injury issues at Red bull



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,399 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    If they end up that low then it's a great competition to play a mixture of kids and reserves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭SM01


    Probably just paper talk. But if we actually did sign Kanté i'd get very ragey. Obviously he was an amazing player, but the injuries are coming thick and fast with him. He's not going to the force of old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Time to put Fabinho back into defence then. Take him out of the firing line of midfield. It might even help the midfield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He'll be 32 & injury prone he'll fit right in to our midfield ,

    There's no chance in hell we sign him ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He struggled with the highline 2 years ago, Can you imagine his recovery pace now ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,965 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    This might be the most frustrating deadline day ever, it's not even noon and half our rivals have bought someone while we've just gotten another player injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    That’s not going to happen. Both Williams and Phillips were better options at the back during that crisis when Klopp finally decided to play them together and Fab is a shadow of that player he was back then too. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,367 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    it's not that they're consciously writing off the season.

    it is consistent with how these owners do business. it's embarrassing. it's treacherous. it's fúcking appalling negligence.

    they struck gold with Klopp. now he needs help, and they won't put their hands in their pockets to actually help.

    make no mistake about it, we aren't the same as Utd, for instance. they could fail for a decade, ploughing over £1bn into their squad and managers until they get it right (even under apparently terrible owners). we can't and won't. we'll fall away.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,128 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's hard to see how we're not consciously writing off the season when you look at our performances and results, and compare it to our transfer business.

    I doubt the club are idiots, they must know that not signing anyone is just going to mean a continuation of the same poor form, and ultimately what that will mean for our final league position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,304 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Post edited by citytillidie on

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    If Klopp can get us to finish in the Top 4 it might be his best achievement to date, I see absolutely no chance, realistically we need a run of about 10 wins, we can't manage one at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    I don't think the response of some fans is realistic argument nor is it a factor in the club's recruitment policy.

    Sofyan Amrabat, Nicolo Barella, Jude Bellingham, Moises Caicedo, Enzo Fernandez, Gavi, Pedri, and Aurelien Tchouameni have been the flavour of the month/big name midfield players that the club have made approaches for in the past few years. Most of them are in the same age bracket.

    Personally I think that the club has focused on those players because Klopp has wanted to work with them. None of them strike me as the alternative option in the event that Klopp's preferred choice can't be signed.

    2016: Klopp tried to persuade Gotze and Draxler to join Liverpool. Recruitment team brought in Wijnaldum and Mane.

    2017: Klopp tried to persuade Brandt to join Liverpool. Recruitment team brought in Salah.

    2018: Klopp tried to persuade Goretzka to join Liverpool. Recruitment team brought in Fabinho.

    Since then it has pretty much been the case of the club signing the player Klopp that wants or him making do with the existing squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    That will be the end of the chances of Nat Phillips leaving the club for now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,724 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Yep....feels like we've regressed about 10 years in the space of 6 months.

    After coming so close to winning everything last year it is absolutely mind blowing how flaccid and insipid we've become.

    It now seems that Klopp managed to capture lightening in a bottle and work miracles for years but now the party is over.

    We had no margin for failure in the transfer market and for a while every single transfer was an immediate hit...this season, when we needed it the most perhaps, we've apparently got two (relative) duds in Nunez and Gakpo.

    The likes of Chelsea, City, Utd and now Newcastle have greater wiggle room....they can afford to stockpile and hoard talent like Grealish and pay over the odds for the likes of Gordon, Mudryk etc. and then dodge FFP by flogging squad players for exorbitant fees (Conor Gallagher worth 45m?!? Wtaf)

    Liverpool never had that option and once our transfer accuracy dipped we were always going to be in trouble.

    FSG and Klopp would seem to be responsible for the lack of action...the portion of blame is hard to determine right now imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Something must have happened behind the scenes , the amount of people who have left & everything has turned into an absolute **** show,

    Like why in gods name did we spunk our only January cash on Gakpo , Who made that call ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Talisman


    I don't think it's fair to call Nunez and Gakpo relative duds. It should be keep in mind that Firmino, Mane and Salah came together over a few seasons. Firmino had the 2015/16 to settle into the Premier League before Mane joined the club. Mane had had two seasons in the Premier League with Southampton. They were settled in before Salah joined and the fact that he had previous experience of the Premier League also helped him. There were teething problems with Salah and Mane but they learned to keep out of each others way. The combination of pace and guile made them devastating as a trio because our opponents hadn't faced that type of forward line before. They were also backed up by an energetic midfield that could win the ball back quickly.

    It will take time for Nunez and Gakpo to integrate with Salah and they don't have a midfield anything near the level of 2018-2022 to help them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Whatever about Nunez, Gakpo has shown absolutely nothing to get excited about so far. Played out of position sure, but looks slow and ponderous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,724 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    I guess I meant relative in relation moreso to Diaz and Jota rather than Mane & co.

    Anyway, with those two being injured and Salah's form being poor as well (for him), the focus and expectation on Nunez and Gakpo is even sharper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    United in for Sabitzer on loan, why aren't we in for that? a former red bull player well able to play our style.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    We are saving the money that his wages would cost so we can narrowly miss out on singing Bellingham this summer so we can say look we tried,



  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    Maybe the plan is to do nothing as we are not getting top 4 or winning the CL with the team we have, at the moment it is hard to see us winning😀

    So on June 1st, we should get a new doctor in preferably Andy Massey back, get a new sporting director in and then get a new RB as Ramsey does not seem to get much time; we have 4 CBs who are now all becoming injury prone, think we should sell Gomez as he would get a decent price and a new CB in, midfield - forget Bellingham and just use the money to get 4 new midfielders in.

    Loan out players who have been on the periphery for a while such as Jones.

    Likely the squad will be greatly reduced both in size and wages given Adrian, Firmino, Keita, Milner and Ox have their contracts expiring on June 1st.

    No european football next year so more manageable, everyone will have us written off😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,965 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    The one good thing I've seen from Gakpo a few times so far:

    On the rare occasion he receives the ball, controls it well and turns to face the opposing defence he's made some good plays. Just against Brighton he played Salah in behind on one turn and on another he bombed forward 30 yards before being dragged down on the edge of the box.

    He has to figure himself out enough to get the ball in those positions far more often but based on what he can do from there I understand the idea of playing him with Salah/Nunez/Diaz running behind the lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,845 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Heard Klopp say connector while speaking about him pre Brighton , Makes it sound like he may see his long term position as False 9

    Only issues with that is what about Nunez ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭ballyargus


    All in all, the inertia and lack of willingness to address the evident problems is f**king baffling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Fab was absolutely brilliant at CB that season. The problem was that we missed him too much from midfield, so the team was better with reserves at CB and Fab in DM.

    But Fab is trash in DM right now, so if we’re short at CB there’s no harm in trying him there. It’s the only position I’d consider him for in the team right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Alonso77


    Hopefully something big is happening in the background over next few months and FSG are not committing to transfers until it is done. Cant understand any other reason for the current inertia



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Why is it frustrating? It was fairly obvious we weren't going to sign anyone, if the club were really serious about resolving our midfield problems, they'd have signed at least one midfielder at the beginning of the month and another during the month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Whatever about money spent, that's a different argument. But since the CL final win in 2019, Liverpool have bought 8 senior players. 1 player per window. A few reserve keepers on free transfer, loans & kids to supplement this. Not good enough to rebuild a squad.

    11 players from that squad in 2019 that are still in the squad are 28 or older. Thiago being signed increases it to 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Yeah we have enough Arthur Melos in the club without getting anymore



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    I hope Madrid sign Bellingham early in the summer, so we can move on from that fantasy signing, so we can spend the money on a few players instead, it should work out better in the long run when we inevitability fail to sign him. Although I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Melo permanently from Juva instead!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    So sick of it now at this stage. Every top club in Europe will want him, will pay a bigger fee and offer higher wages. Haaland is getting 400k a week at city, Bellingham be a fool to ask for less to his suitors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Haaland's gettin' a lot more than that!

    Very hard to see how the maths work out alright... we'd be needing the player to go for a major case of heart over head, almost to the point of insanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Think Bellingham is a pipe dream. It is difficult to see how we have much transfer money to play with given we have recouped **** all in player sales last few windows. Anyone who leaves is leaving on a free. For a club intent on being self sufficient it appears to be desperately poor planning to tie up players in long contracts that will then have no sale value thus reducing what we have to spend. Hard to know who is to blame for that. It is actually more telling that none of our players in the starting 11 are being linked in the media with interest from other clubs during the window.

    On top of that we have owners that have made it public their intention to sell the club or part of which would suggest their focus is not exactly on spending huge money on the squad. I fear we are in massive trouble over the next few seasons unless FSG sell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Forget haaland, Sancho is getting 350k at united, this guy is far more hyped than him. United and City would gladly give him that. Even if we were flying I still couldn't see the numbers working. He looks a class act but I'd rather see 150m spent on 3 players.



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