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When did coke become socially acceptable?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Do you feel bad the next day after it ? Can you go for two days in a row on it ?

    How do you recover the following week ,





  • But that’s factually incorrect.

    the difference between alcohol sold in your local off licence and the bag of coke from the local dealer? One of those has undergone and is closely monitored to ensure safety. The other is from your local dealer.

    If you think people aren’t dropping like flies from contaminated drugs sold on the street you need to think harder. Drugs are not inherently the problem the problem is the illegality which pushes it underground to people who have no better objective than buy cheap sell high.

    Coke and MDMA/acid is safe in its pure form or when it’s made properly, but the coke you buy from a dealer is cut with some cocaine and the rest could be pretty much just drywall for all you know.

    The pressed pills such as acid/MDMA etc have been found to be laced with the likes of fentanyl and worse. If you think the only person who died from pills and other drugs in the 90’s was the woman you mentioned you need to give your head a shake.

    By the way, this kind of shite is exactly why no one takes any discussion about legislation for drugs seriously. People who wants to advocate for it are afraid to tell the actual truth. No one’s telling the truth either way. The opposers are painting a picture where everyone’s stoned out of their minds and killing each other in violent rages or ODing & the pro side is filling peoples heads with equally dangerous lies about the utopia we’d all live in were drugs legal.

    There can be no discussion regarding legitimate control of drugs when no one’s willing to be honest. Posts like yours are so dangerously ill informed it haunts me. But more than anything, how dare you sit there and type that drivel that no one’s ever in any harm from taking drugs. Attitudes like yours are exactly why we’re in the state we’re in with drugs, the war on drugs and so on.

    If you want to advocate for them— fcuking well be honest then. Alcohol is more dangerous than coke or random pills you don’t have a clue what’s in them yeah? Fcuk off mate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yes you feel bad, depending on how much you take it's better/worse, but the fact that it enables you to keep drinking is probably what is really making you feel bad the next day. you could keep going on a rollover till the next night, then you'd take a couple of days to recover. it's a slog alright, but not really any worse than getting drunk af, that would take me a couple of days to recover from these days too, so I try and avoid doing that and the other stuff these days, when i can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about and you're putting words in my mouth because i never said no one's ever in harm from taking drugs, i said relatively speaking cocaine is safe compared to other drugs like alcohol. if coke and mdma and pills were as dangerous as you say they are there'd be people dying from them all the time in ireland given the vast amounts of them taken every weekend, people crash drunk and die in alcohol related incidents all the time on the other hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Surley its worse on the heart than a drinks ?

    Like if your an alcoholic that one thing but if you have a few pints on a weekend, Im sure doing coke with that is a lot worse for you NO ?

    Does it not give people hearth problems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    probably yeah, but i'm looking at it like this, if you were to get drunk af twice a year or do a few lines twice a year, you'd be far safer on the coke than the booze in my opinion. taking either all the time will f*ck you up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    The fact that it makes people injest way more alcohol than they would is the reason the stuff is tolerated in the social scene in pubs and clubs here. Publicans aren't stupid. They know exactly what is going on, and they know this stuff increases their profit margins.

    Vintner federation would definitely prefer cocaine becomes legalized before cannabis or MDMA.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Hooked


    I (44) was on a 2 night stag with the youngest brother (31) a few years back and ALL of his mates were on it. They'd throw a towel or t-shirt over their head, in a bar, in the middle of the day and snort away from a novelty oversized key (think it was a souvenir from Alcatraz) that had a perfectly sized groove in it.

    These lads are all late 20's, early 30's... pint-hounds... and just wanted to stave off the drunkness or hangover. Stayed awake ALL night chatting ****. But when they ran out - on the Sunday morning CHRIST were they in some state. Double hangover, no sleep and no more coke. They were fooked!

    They seem to be on it every weekend... and I counted that out of say 9 or 10 of these lads, who I know quite well... none of them owned a house or were married (most in relationships). Apart from my brother (married with mortgage)! They all seemed to be happy going from paycheck to paycheck - pinting and snorting... ZERO desire to 'grow up'. All still living with the mammy.



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  • Yea I haven’t a clue, okay buddy. You keep telling yourself coke and random pills are safer than the alcohol which is regulated with strict rigidity.

    For the record, if you drink too much and drive a car and kill yourself or someone else it wasn’t the drink that did you in.

    If you take a contaminated pill or coke cut with something toxic it was the drugs that killed you.

    See the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    but it was the drink that did you in because booze disables your ability to make rational decisions like taking a taxi instead of driving and impairs your stability and senses so you're way more likely to crash and kill someone. Maybe go and take one of these pressed acid pills laced with fentanyl (LOL) that you were speaking of, might chill you out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    For example a fella goes out on a Saturday night and has 10 pints ..to get a bit out of it...around 60 euros. Would 60 euros of coke do the average coke head the night? Is one louder and more obnoxious on coke than booze? Cause...I find it hard enough to be in a drunken pub...





  • Mate if you think no one’s lacing drugs with dangerous substances then you’re a clown tbh.

    So you never got sick from them, good for you, I watched my partner nearly die from drinking THC lean that was made with some bullshit chemical version of thc from China. “Spice” they call it. Google that if you’re not familiar, then come talk to me about how all drugs are so safe. Did you ever encounter those THC vapes going around the last few years? Every. Single. One. Was made of spice. Don’t talk to me about not understanding the negative impacts of unregulated substances.

    The FSAI is a fantastic authority in this country for making sure food and drinks sold to the public are safe. We have nothing of the sort for recreational drugs. We trust criminals to make sure they’re safe. The criminals that only give a fcuk about the money we give them.

    give your head a shake if you think no one’s getting sick or dying in this country and every other country from tainted drugs. Most won’t report what happened because they’re afraid of being arrested.

    I’ve actually had that conversation with hospital staff, they have on numoerus occasions begged patients to admit what they took but they’re too afraid because of our laws and general POV on drugs in this country.

    You can live in your denial tree all day long but you are as much of the problem as the people who are against drugs making up lies. If no one can be honest we can’t have a proper conversation about them.

    Are drugs bad? No.

    Are the people who sell drugs bad? Sometimes.

    Should they be regulated and sold openly and safely to reduce the risk of illness or death to recreational users? They absolutely should.

    There’s plenty of documented evidence this exact thing is happening day on day. Not being aware of it is not the equivalent to it not happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i was talking about cocaine and pills which are taken by the truckload in ireland every weekend, taken by 10s of 1000s in one place during the summer at irish music festivals, you're going on about fake thc from china and spice. have a good evening.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    It's interesting that I know many American friends who look down on illegal pills/drugs (except cannabis) yet snort adderall and oxycodone when they're out partying.

    To be fair, it's probably safer. Obviously still very addictive but they at least there's quality control that you don't get with cocaine in a pub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    I don't think its anything to do with "safe", its all about optics and how people look while being off the head on narcotics. People on stuff like cocaine will look to the untrained eye various levels from 'sober' to 'lively'. If you are on something like a couple of MDMA pills, you are going to look like something out of a Hieronymus Bosch painting. Not a good look for the modern everyday person so concerned with the visual optics for everything and everybody.

    The irony is, you are going to be far safer around the person ingesting MDMA than the person ingesting cocaine and copious amounts of booze, but because the cocaine user looks half sober or lively, they are to be tolerated.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Lot of people here seem to glorify taking drugs!

    Three things i came across in the past year all relating to Cocaine .

    1. Neighbours son headbutted his mother breaking about 8 of her teeth because she wouldnt give him more money for cocaine last Christmas Eve
    2. Bloke in his 50s died after getting a brain aneryism after taking cocaine .
    3. Young bloke the other side of town hung himself last year because he ran up a drug debt with traveller drug gang he couldnt pay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It's rather additive tho and I'm glad I never really liked it much.

    I've seen lads almost ruin themselves financially over it. I don't know what it costs these days but I remember in the nineties it was easily €100 for 1g if it was any good. And those lads would go through 2 or 3 each day towards the end of their 'career' - before all their maxed out cards and overdrafts came crashing down on them and game was over. It can be nasty like that some people seem to lose control over it easily enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yep true, there aren't really any drugs with no drawbacks and there'll always be some who can't use them in moderation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I didn't realise it was that popular in Ireland. I've never seen or heard of anyone use it here. I was offered a chance to snort it off a hookers back in Prague once but that's about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    That's exactly my position and what I tell my kids. We all know the dangers of alcohol but when a bottle of whiskey says 40 % on the label you can be fairly sure it is accurate.

    With drugs you are putting blind faith in the dealers supplying the drugs, and a long line of criminals before that.

    You don't know the purity, other ingredients.

    There is also the moral side of funding gangsters. I just could not do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Garda accused of taking cocaine in nightclub has been suspended on full pay for FIVE years - SundayWorld.com

    Might be a few more garda taking charlie if they can get suspended on full pay for five years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    On the plus side, at least there was snow for your visit to Santa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭iniscealtra


    Depends on your social circle. My friends drink. None of my friends smoke anything. Some of OH friends smoke weed. An old friend from school smokes weed and doesn’t drink. Not acceptable in our social circle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Only stupid people think there is such a thing as recreational drugs. There is not. Any one of them drugs be it Coke,Meth or hash could be the end of you no matter how safe you think it is or how much research you have done.

    Drugs are only meant to be used by doctors to make someone better.

    I have no sympathy for anyone who dies from taking drugs unless they were spiked.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It became socially acceptable when the Gardai and the judiciary along with their mates the publicans, decided that it wasn’t all that much of a problem.

    its well understood by those tasked with overseeing & enforcing the law that many if not most locals and nightclubs at the weekend have clientele who take cocaine there..

    google ‘cocaine probation act’…. Multiple multiple reports over the years of people who were arrested in possession of significant amounts, however… just given the probation act.. caught with a class A drugs and… not even a slap on the wrist…. The probation act…

    that’s one of the reasons why people have become totally disillusioned with the criminal justice system…

    also….If pubs are not screening and deterring it’s use, they are encouraging and facilitating it…. But of course no impact as businesses are sacrosanct….

    many very good people in the Gardai, but as an organisation these days from my own personal perspective and experiences as a victim of crime they are pretty goddamn useless….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,612 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    .…




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Remember Katy French? And more recently Jamal Edwards in the UK. I think it's pretty rough on the heart so deaths might not be directly linked to coke use at the time of death, but after long term use your heart could be in a pretty bad state and lead to sudden death later in life. Isn't this what happened to Gerry Ryan?


    Coke use was pretty open and acceptable back in the Celtic tiger boom years, so I don't think it's anything new. Never tried it myself but I was told back then that it was shite compared to the stuff you'd get over in the states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Nancy Reagan over here. How could hash or weed be the end of you? should only doctors be using alcohol?



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    This topic comes up every now and then. Coke has been rampant for decades, became openly used during the early Celtic Tiger.

    I was security for a fairly trouble free and easy going club in Cork. Coke was everywhere.

    The biggest culprits were women because of the lack of female bouncers. We (guys) had to announce entry to female toilets giving plenty of time to hide evidence.

    The way we caught them was they were so brazen that they would still have it on their drinks straw walking out of the toilets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    No question your correct ,

    Just for correctness sake Katy French had a brain injury form mixing it with ephedrine, but still it was a cause of death ,

    People who believe its harmless are just lying ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    It's interesting how people can be so opinionated on something they have little knowledge of.

    'Drugs' is a term that refers to a variety of substances. They all have different effects on the brain/body and different levels of addictiveness. Cannabis though probably not good for those with mental disorders does not lead to physical withdrawals like opioids, benzos, or even alcohol.

    There's a good professor in the States called Dr. Carl Hart who talks about using heroin, a very stigmatized drug, responsibly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭thomasj


    You sure you're not getting it mixed up with Raisins ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I'd have every sympathy for someone passing away from drugs, no matter what the drug. There's people out there addicted to Ibuprofen. Lots of great people dying from drugs, from drink to heroin. Addiction is a complex disease of the brain and body. Can just be a one off allergic reaction too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    Can I ask if you've been personally affected by drugs?

    I commend your attitude since a lot of people would consider it a moral failing. There's also a perception among people that only the homeless are drug addicts but they ignore the numerous middle to upper class people that partake in recreational substances.





  • Careful now if you smoke hash and weed at the same time you will die.

    that’s a fact. Don’t even google it just trust me!



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Drugs should be legalized. If people choose to take any drug its a personal choice. It can still be taboo and banned from been used in public or the workplace.

    IWe the tax payer are paying for everything surrounding drugs ie court cases, prisons, legal fees, rehabilitation ect, while the dealer's make the profit. Change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That'd work if the drugs could be bought from anonymous dispensaries for a competitive price vs. the street and no major hoops to jump through. If you put a load of tax on the drugs (ostensibly to offset the cost to public health infrastructure) and subject them to rigorous questioning every time they come in to re up, you'll eventually push addicts back into black market alternatives.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No one is addicted to ibuprofen. Nurofen Plus... Maybe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Chasing the Scream is a brilliant book about the war on drugs, what the world was like before it and some of the impact it has had on western society. Certainly changed my thinking about the whole thing.

    People are going to do drugs regardless of them being legal or illegal. Let us legalise it, at least then we can put some quality control around the substances. Stop people getting into drug debt to the s€u m of the earth, children being used as couriers, afraid to go to hospital or tell the truth to doctors when they need help and ease all the other harms too.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Back in the 80's, Geoffrey Robertson presented a stunningly good series of programs for Australia's ABC, called 'Hypotheticals'. One of the best of them was on drugs. One of the panel members was a professor of Pharmacology, who when asked if weed could kill you, answered 'yes, only if a 2 tonne bail of it fell on your head' or words to that effect.

    There was even a good question relating to doctors and alcohol. Again the question was put to a Professor of surgery, I think it was, or something like that: he was asked something like; 'if you needed emergency open heart surgery, and there were only two surgeons available; one an alcoholic, who was sober, but wanting a drink, and the other, a heroin addict who was actually high at the time, which would you choose to operate on you?'

    Without the slightest doubt or hesitation, the professor chose the high, heroin addict over the sober alcoholic, and then gave a detailed explanation as to why.

    Probably the most eye opening TV program I have ever watched.

    Alcohol is probably the worst of all the drugs consumed, so the OP asking about the 'social acceptability' of coke, a far less pharmacologically dangerous and socieatally damaging drug, being used in venues designed for the consumption of alcohol, is near hilarious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭Dslatt


    Heaps of people are addictive to Nurofen Plus, codine is great. You can get addicted to ibuprofen though, if you have any sort of inflammation issues for example.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    You can buy 100,000+ tablets in one purchase over there.



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