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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Hey look on the bright side, it's the last season Raffi could die.



  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭eadrom


    Or.. wow, can you imagine... maybe Picard will d... Oh wait, no. They did that already 🙃

    😫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I would less surprised if the entire TNG cast bit the bullet and the ending sets up a new show called Star Trek: Raffi



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The positivity I'm taking from all this, is that all the TNG cast's kids & grandkids will probably inherit a nice chunk of cheddar for this "money for old (t)rope" work.

    Who'd have thought that 2009 reboot's lasting effect was to poison the entire well of Star Trek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Boy, they REALLY should have rethought that last line.....


    Spiner... AGAIN! And Perry from Kevin and Perry (I know I used that joke before but come on...

    I've also said it before that they do good (and misleading) trailers. But yeah. This does nothing for me



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The current team make good trailers. Sadly not much else.

    Another Discovery style kinky, camp, panto villain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Wow, Geordi looks pissed! .. understandably given the story over the seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There’s still a chance that Season 3 will be watchable…but dear god that was a mess of a trailer. All…and I mean ALL of the tropes and bad habits of modern movie trailers on display here. If they wanted to press the TNG ‘memberberries they just needed a subtile hint, a tune here, and familiar face there. But no, it’s the Pew-Pew stutter-music action slock that puts me off pretty much anything it’s used with.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I hate the mirror universe ****. Despise it, no more. I hate section 31 almost as much now thanks to the complete overuse in Disco.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I bet Moriarty is a misdirect. They love a "taadaa" reveal finale so I don't think they will give him away if he is the bad guy.

    He will either be a dream or Picard will need to use him Silence of the Lambs style.

    Also anytime I see him now I just think Badgey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Now I want to actually see Badgey appear in this. Him and Moriarty trying to destroy the Federation. Would love every second.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,518 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    There's something about the trailer that seems off to me. There's just not enough variety in it to fill a series there. There seems to be enough for two episodes, the initial setup, and second episode of Bev's ship being found and the ambush. I'd like to think there's a lot more to be revealed for the remaining 8 episodes. But I've a funny feeling I had the same impression for season 2, but instead we had a lot of Chateau flashbacks and an entire episode wasted on the FBI interrogation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What the fuk was the point of FBI guy. God s2 is possibly one of the worst series of anything ever.

    It's like the South Park joke of plots written by manatees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Modern Star Trek taking too many hints from the Arrowverse. Big opener, tread water until, big finisher. Nothing in the middle matters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭eadrom


    It'll be one old character introduced each week with their own key episode, showing how they've each become totally different people in the years since we saw them. That'll be spliced together with the "season arc" story of Picard struggling with his demons and chasing the darkness, or running from the darkness, or sitting in darkness, or whatever so long as it's dark, until the A and B stories converge for the week thus expanding the crew by one dear old friend at the end of each episode. The gang's all there for the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,021 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Most annoying of all is that the basic concept of a Picard show could have been really good. They just had no need to go for these massive universe ending stories - i'd have loved if it instead focused on some small local story or mystery, far beneath Starfleet, that Picard picks up on and gets involved in because he's the kind of guy who simply can't just stand by. Something a bit more 'Harry Brown' meets 'Mr Holmes'. Instead we've just got more false nostalgia (which doesn't even have the decency to reflect what TNG actually was) and splashy distracty nonsense. :-/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So in the universe of never ending callbacks the main ship this season is the Constitution mklll class Titan - A which like every ship I believe was a winner of some obscure fan competition way back. So we are even getting "A" ships for names we never even cared about.

    A few other Star Trek Online ships are to make an appearance too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Indeed. The first couple of episodes of season 1 were very good. I especially loved a scene where he goes asking for a ship to be met with a cry of incredulity ("The sheer f*cking ARROGANCE of you"). You are right. It SHOULD have been that. Low key (But important) situations to solve. As they introduced the Romulans so heavily at the start, it could have been a great chance to make them more three-dimensional. Could have REALLY opened up the Trek universe.

    Let's be brutally honest: For all the fact that they have been around since TOS, the Klingons and the Vulcans really are one-dimensional: Nobel Warrior and cold logic. Strange New Worlds helped with the Vulcans a bit. The chemistry between Spock and T'Pring was fantastic. But they are still pretty one-note.

    Here you had an opportunity to really explore a "new" race. So similar to us in ways and so different in others. Just thinking as I type (So it may make NO sense/or may clash with continuity) Have Picard investigate a murder-mystery within the Romulan community. Hell, you could even have brought back Denise Crosby as a cameo if you wanted the memberberries. This could even have led to (yet another) spinoff. But one that could be interesting. A Romulan series set in the Picard timeline. It could have focused on Talinn if they wanted and had a bigger story there as she would not be burdened by such an esteemed legacy. Her investigating the machinations of the Tal Shiar (And specifically Sela if you wanted) as they try to rebuild. Heck, you could even loop in Section 31. Have them working together with Sela to rebuild them BOTH by manufacturing/creating some bigger threat - Something that soon gets out of control. (Just dial back the Irish by about 25%. No more "Cheeky feckers" please). There ya go. TWO spinoffs.

    As it is, they have now lost their most engaging character (Ramos). Initially I described him as a poor-man's Han Solo but he rapidly grew on me (Including his (hopefully) intentionally terrible Hologram crew). And I especially liked him last season (The best bit in the show - along with the Baltar cameo).

    Anyway...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Yeah, I'm sure that there are fans on STO that love those ships, but the arse on that ship approaching the starbase with the massive impulse drives is kind of awful. It just looks really unbalanced to me





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Part of it looks like the back of a Star Destroyer.

    I never liked the STO designs. They are for a computer game which always have wacky mods and variants which doesn't work in a show.

    Also I just don't have any emotional connection to the books or games which seems to be about 90% of the Trek the current show runners are into.

    I don't understand why they didn't just give 7 the Stargazer rather than trying to get the viewer invested in another random ship.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Nu-Trek ship designs have been generally awful stuff altogether; La Sirena an absolute affront to anything resembling aesthetic design, and looked more like something bought from a Stock Library than anything produced by a production team.

    Controversial as it is to say, I still hold a candle for the Discovery, precisely because it clearly had an artistic direction: maybe people don't like it, and its practicality questionable - but the Ralph McQuarrie inspired ship had an arresting look that remains unique to Trek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I really liked the Shenzhou despite it being a little busy looking and season 1 had a few ok ones. S2 has crap like the Stealth ship and the s3 designs are generic rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm still very curious to see how NCO Crewman Seven of Nine got reactivated into Starfleet into an officer's rank that got her close enough to a Captaincy in a mere handful of years. Having Lieutenant Raffi telling people that she should be a Captian doesn't seem like enough to make that happen.

    It's kind of reminding me of the time Garak was messing about with Worf about joining Starfleet Academy. Suggesting that he was so awesome that he could probably just skip the lower ranks and go right to Lieutenant. That was enough clue Worf in that Garak wasn't serious....but is that enough for the Picard writers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There was absolutely no reason why she should have been the one to sit in the captains chair on the Stargazer at the end of s2. Absolutely ridiculous fan service shte.

    She was denied entry to Starfleet Academy and is now a captain. You would be well pised if you were busting your arss for Starfleet for years and still a lieutenant.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah the Shenzhou was neat, if as you say a tad "busy" in its look. But that's generally the problem with all the ship design in NuTrek. There's a weird compulsion to just add geometry and angles everywhere for no other reason than ... I dunno. We live in a HD era so you wanna show off that detail?

    It's funny 'cos the ships on The Expanse were nothing more than flying bricks half the time yet their silhouettes were often much more striking and recognisable. I could sketch you a rough drawing of the Rocinante - yet La Sirena? PFfffh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    But that bridge on the new trailer. I know it was mentioned earlier as being a horror show. It is AWFUL. To paraphrase Duff Brewery master brewers: "Needs more dog... steps. Oh, and more lights but, somehow, darker"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's basically the Stargazer bridge which is more reason to just use the Stargazer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Can you imagine Harry Kim finding out about this :P He must be *at least* Lieutenant (Junior Grade) by now :D

    I think Season 2 mentioned something about rejecting Seven from formally joining Starfleet and that Janeway even threatened to resign on the back of that (which she clearly didn't based on Nemesis). I was kind of assuming that given Seven's experence as an active Crewman she could have continued as an NCO and went the way of O'Brien to become a Chief Petty Officer. Not an "Officer" in the strictest sense, but clearly a valuable member of the fleet. Seven would have been pretty useful to Starfleet Command in their anti-Borg planning and tech, so it is baffiling that they would reject her membership. I get that the writers needed her to be away from Starfleet to pull off this "Lone-Wolf Space Warrior" thing they had planned for her, but they needed a better reason than Starfleet going: "An ex-Borg with years of experience intergrating Borg & Starfleet tech? Nah....you're grand...thanks anyway..."

    The whole Borg thing being their basis for rejection doesn't sit well in my head either. If ST:Prodigy is cannon (I know...if ), then the ex-Marquis members of the crew did get commisioned since Chakotay did get his captaincy, and Starfleet really seemed to have a hangup about The Marquis. If Marquis can get in, surely a helpful victim of the Borg is golden?

    But nah....no Starfleet for you Seven. Or...at least not until Raffi brings the idea out of the Ether in S2, and then insists that not only is Seven Starfleet material, but also *Captain* material. Raffi feels a bit like a a proxy for the writers who have now decided that Seven is now command material and need that thread out there. It would have made more sense for Picard to say it (the one who actually has been a Captain, with years of command experience) and then him handing command to Seven at the end would have sit better. Hell, that should have been an arc between Picard & Seven thoughout the season, and not just Raffi suddenly bigging up her ex-girlfriend's career chances.

    All that said...will Seven be a good Trek Captain? I think, maybe? Seven is one of the better characters in Picard I feel, but I hope they remember to write her as an actual Captain and not just Burnham it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    The Shenzhou's main problem is it's upside down.


    On Seven's rank do we know how long it's been since season two? Pulling a Kurk or Riker and getting to Commander in about five years isn't unheard of. There's even Captains with less time in Starfleet than Voyager season six Harry Kim.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Maybe Seven is a captain now because the Warm-n-Fuzzy Borg are now part of the Federation :trollface:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Rikers was a commander though.

    She was never even an ensign. She would have to pull a Tilly Riker double.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I have that Simpsons "No Homers club" scene in my head right now.

    "Sorry, no Borgs". "But you let Icheb in". "Says no Borgs. We're allowed have one".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    If it's been a few years since season two it wouldn't be unheard of that she's gone from ensign to commander in that time. That or Fenris has joined the Federation and she got in as part of absorbing the Fenrisian Rangers. That was one of the hurdles with Bajor joining the Federation, integrating the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    *sigh*

    They are going to mess this up again aren't they?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Don't watch it, you know it makes sense. Fool me once n all that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    US military has doctors as commissioned officers but the rank they join at after their training varies based on their medical experience, we also have some of the higher positions in law enforcement coming from outside (Ireland included).

    As with medicine, the same could be said to apply for other fields in starfleet. Seven could have raked up a load of doctorates or maybe without and done the same.

    They wouldn't have had to even incorporate the Fenrisian Rangers for her to join and be granted that rank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm probably going to watch this, but experiece has now taught me to be very wary after Episode 2/3. I have very little faith of them writing enough material for 8 episodes, and fully expect them to pull off the same time-wasting nonsense we saw in Season 2. Hopefully I'm wrong, and that hope will have me watching this time.

    However, if Weasley turns up again with that stupid grin he had on his face in the S2 finale, heavy items will be thrown at the screen.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Wouldn't it make sense though to hold off 'til some consensus leaks through - save yourself some time and broken TVs? To be fair, I'd be happy to return to this, if I saw trust opinions saying "... actually, it's good this time!", but not 'til a few episodes aired at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It really bothered me that the used the supernova as an excuse to turn the Romulans into a bunch of space nomads overnight. The Romulan empire would be in disarray for sure, but the leadership should have survived(given the fact that the Romulans had enough time to go ask Spock for help), and presumably the Romulan empire includes multiple star systems, they’d be a pretty stupid race to not have a backup location.

    I always thought a story about Picard as an admiral leading the aid efforts to the Romulan Empire after the supernova(kind of like how it showed him doing) , before being swept in to a conspiracy about the actual cause of the event and what it would mean for the galaxy would be a good one.

    It would keep the series based in Starfleet while giving us a series centered on the last great adversary of the galaxy. Picard never had any tolerance for institutionalised secrets anyway so you would imagine he’d be determined to get to the truth regardless of who it affected.

    But I suppose then that would have limited the opportunity for Brent Spiner to come back as yet another Noonien Soong🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm gonna watch it out of curiosity. Unlike season 2 I wont be at all upset if it's sht because I have no expectations after that disaster of a season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    The Romulan situation annoys me too but there might be another factor to it. Shinzon killed the entire government a few years earlier leaving no real successor, and the Romulan Star Empire doesn't seem like the most stable nation at the best of times, so they could have been fractured or barely holding together before the lost their home system to the supernova.

    This doesn't excuse the warrior space nuns, absolute candor, real fake doors, throuple marriages, and all the other definitely-canon-but-not-depicted-on-screen-for-some-reason fanfiction the original showrunner published.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ordinarily I'd probably do the same, mostly out of morbid curiosity but Season 2 was just so so soooo bad, and there's just so much good TV out there - even SciFi - it just seems like a waste of my time. Plus, admittedly, with two 2-and-unders our TV time has become precious. Can't be wasting it on shíte 😂That and if you're watching it minus the help of the High Seas it's just rewarding those making it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was thinking the same about Shinzon.

    Trek has always had an annoying problem too where when it suits the writers the Klingon Empire (Praxis), the Romulans or the Federation are suddenly boiled down to 1 planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I get that but they were Empires. And arnt Empires by nature very centralised with little control or thought given to outlier colonies or lands. Nearly everything feeds the capital.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The whole Romulan nomad thing makes no sense. They had an empire. 100s of planets in size. Just move. Done.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Na that doesn't add up. The Romulan supernova would not have wiped out the Romulan fleet. There is no reason why they would be destitute without Starfleets help.

    They could easily have raised their own rescue fleet just as quickly and would not be living in gifted shantytown planets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    But when the Praetor dies after he's killed all the Senators, probably some senior Tal'Shiar and admirals who takes over with no clear successor? It's kind of a recipe for civil war that probably would be interesting to see unfold, if given to someone competent.



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